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The more I think about it, the more I am getting burnt out on 40k

I think 5th Ed was the last straw. There are just too many things about 5th that make this game not worth the time it takes to play it.

And with the next dex coming out... its ridicules. I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t have $600 to blow every couple of months just so I can have the newest broken tourney army. if even half the guard roomers are true then one will need to buy a crap load of $40(ish... more after GW raises prices) ++ boxes to get army that’s worth taking to a tourney.

In 4th, I was at the top tables with TAU... I even took best overall with them once, and they were only painted with 3 colors... now, top tables are chaos (2x lash whips and 9 oblits fill in the rest with troops), demons (blood crushers, fate weaver) maybe eldar, and with new dex possible guard.


I still like the models for 40K, but I think I am done buying for a while (maybe a box or blister every 2 or 3 months)... I will sell / trade a bunch of my stuff to round off my eldar, and get my sisters up to the neighborhood of 1k - 1.5k (who i am kidding, ill buy / trade for guard so i can round them up)

I think I could still go for combat patrol and small games (1k - 1.5k)... but no more big 40k tourneys for me.


I have flames of war for tourneys... Warmachine, uncharted seas, lord of the rings, legends of the old west, blood bowl, and space hulk for low model count games... blood bowl seams to be gaining popularity, maybe ill start seeing more tourneys for it (like the stuper bowl at adepticon)... and AT-43 for what its worth, it was to cheep not to start.

Any ways, any of you dakkaites know of a game with a good rules set, that has some decent sized tourneys? Maybe something with a low model count? And not crazy expensive (legends of the old west is ideal price wise... $10-$12 for a box of 5 guys)?

[End incoherent rant]

Heresy
burn him alive

So are you upset your old super powered army became out-dated? I say now you shouldn't worry about winning and turnies, play some friendly games, run a lil campain. Take some time off from Tiers and stuff. your burnt out.

i dont know if i would call it super powered... i dident win every game i played, and i had to actualy THINK to win most of the games i won, sometime i clubed a baby seal though .

powerfull yes, borken tounrey army.. mabey, but it was not the army i played ALL the time.

i like friendly games, the problem is a few of the gamers in our small group play tourney armies all the time. i long to return to the days of 40 firewarriors and 20 kroot... but i also have a strong dislike of lossing every single game... spending lots of chash to lose every game. if we play friendly vs frieldly we pair up fine, but my friendly vs power army = much bad...

honestly, its the games where we beat eachother to bejesus and back (and mabey "there and back again") that i like the most.

i would LOVE to run a map campain... but how to get past the tourny army gamers??

You may be able to find some people locally that will still play a friendly, non-tournament style game of 4th Edition. I can, but maybe I'm just lucky.

I kind of feel your pain, though, man. As soon as Apocalypse came out, things started going downhill. I originally got into the hobby just for the painting and modelling aspects of it, though, so I'm still more than willing to rough it out.

yes, with apoc it became more then obvious that GW was just trying to whore model sales up*... and as if they needed to make it more obvious, look at the new guard dex... russ SQUADRONS.... need i say more? no but i will. $58 for a valk... who knows how much for all the other tanks the guard are gonna get (i would assume around 40-45 each with price increase)

*i know they did this before... but they dident sideline thier bread and butter game with the codexs that were designed for apoc scale games... again, i must point to russ squardons.

40k has become a game of "who has the most $$"...

and honestly, when i am trying to talk up the game its hard to get people into it when you tell them that in order to start they need to drop around 150 on little plastic men, and a 1k force is around $300... and that most games are 2k... and some are 3K+
but then i tell them about all of the non GW games, and blood bowl. where everything you need to play in the vast majority of games is under $100 (with the exception of warmachines ever increasing prices... who do they think they are, GW?)... guess which one they want to learn more about and have me demo to them.

Chrysaor686 wrote: I originally got into the hobby just for the painting and modelling aspects of it, though, so I'm still more than willing to rough it out.

I can see the future:

You should be a happy hobbyist for long years to come.

Well because here in south africa the minis are a super mad price,I buy minis here and there but have also thought of playing blood bowl.maybe try =][=munda campaign or just paint minis for the sake of collecting and modelling.40K to me is like the song 500 miles by the proclaimers,you hear it a hundred times and it gets old but it always comes round again and manages to get you dancing or at least walking real funny .

De Bellis Antiquitatis in 15mm scale.

An army consists of 12 stands with up to four figures each, plus a camp. You probably need about 16 stands to give you the variant options in each list.

It can also be played in 25mm scale which will be more expensive for the figures of course.

I burnt out a couple of years ago and have not really touched 40k since then. My main stay games at the mo are Urban War and Rules of Engagement. PBI by Peter Pig is a good tourny game. I've also been playing the new re-vamped AK47 which is really good, no chance to power play.

That's the problem, you're playing in tourneys. One of my friends got his entire eldar army because of a tourney. He went to a rogue trader tourney and they wouldn't let him play because his bases weren't flocked, they then let some kid in who hadn't done anything to the bases either. The guy got fed up, looked at my friend and said "You want an eldar army?".

You gotta play with friends and say feth you to the tourneys. You could even find somebody willing to play 4th edition against your cheese Tau.

I burnt out with the introduction of 4th edition.

I'm ploding my way very, very slowly through painting daemons for tournaments and BAs for my own painting enjoyment.

But WHFB has been so superior in every way here in Oz I've been totally tied up with it for 4 or 5 years now.

This topic comes up every few months.
Probably the best advice is to either:
1: Take a good hard look at what armies you have, which you enjoy playing (but maintain competitiveness) and which ones you can sell off as you'll never develop them further. Sell off the chaff, to give you cash to buy/expand the key armies you want.

2: Put everything in boxes for a couple of months and see if the bug returns. If not wait a couple of more months and try other stuff. Many older posters here went years out of 40k then came back with a vengeance.

I also limit the amount of 40k that I can play. I only play once a month so its like a refreshing vacation or a day at the spa. If you play it everyday every week, then its going to get boring.

If the rules bother you, change the rules.

I didn't play 3rd edition, with exception of a couple of games that lead me to the conclusion that it was a poor rule set.
So, what games I played (with the same models) before 4th was an adapted version of Rogue Trader and Necromunda.

Miniatures don't go bad, their not fruit or art supplies.
So neatly box the ones you don't see yourself using in the next 5 years.
They're their if you need them, they're their if you don't.

If you like the setting, then adapt it to a different ruleset.
Try one of Urban Mammoth's rule sets, I've had good luck with them.

I spend maybe 40 dollars a month on gaming materials.
I can afford more, but I only buy for what I'm working on.

Also 40k isn't Magic.
Old miniatures are still competitive (even more so if your taking TLoS into consideration)
Very rarely are things actually cycled-out.
Certain options, yes.
(so fad builds suffer, like my Word Bearer's demon bomb & how Nob Bikes & twin-lash will // that's the cost of a fad list)
But minis, no.

If you want to stay with the 40K background but don´t enjoy gaming anymore, you could start playing one of the old editions( Rogue Trader= nearly a RPG / 2nd Edition = very humorous, unbalanced and detailed ). It´s an effort but it´s fun!

You need to learn to play for fun. With friends. Who you can give crap to if they even look at dual Lash ;-) And learn to play Tau. Good mech Tau can still handle Lash (Lash fails vs. vehicles and long range shooting, Oblits and PMs hate plasma) and CDs (again, mech is the way to go, but this one will largely depend on how well the deep strikes go. Fateweaver sucks to be sure! Careful use of unit positioning is essential.), though it's no cake walk!

DBA is a great suggestion! WHFB is not- the balance there is even worse than 40K (Daemons, Vamps, and Dark Elves rock the casbah right now), though it is also good with friends.

It's a pretty common story. Discover the game, fall in love with the miniatures and the background. Start playing and having a great time. Start playing in tournies. Start reading on-line about power builds and tiered armies. Start playing power games almost exclusively. Start complaining about monotony of games (or alternately bad sportsmanship, or bad rules, or price of new models, or broken new codices).

There are folk who spend a long time in the competitive scene, but they're nowhere near as common as folk who burn out on it very quickly. Most come to hate GW, and either quit miniatures or shift to another game (where they generally burn out even quicker as the problem was never with the game but the acquired attitude and culture).

Basically, almost all miniature games are at their best when the priority of the players is first and foremost towards an entertaining, exciting game, and game that was very different to any other games played recently. This can mean scenarios, but it can also just mean taking different armies. If you're worried about turning up blind to a game and getting pounded by a 'power' army, then talk to your opponent beforehand. Most gamers are keen to play their neglected units and change up their lists. Talk to people and see who is interested in taking more interesting, less powerful armies.

Get married.

You'll soon get used to not winning ever again.



I burnt out (of tourney gaming) during 2nd ed. Too many tools playing - I sat it out, and they moved onto FoW (not calling ALL FoW players tools, but there are always a few in any game.). Minis don't go off. They'll still be there when you get back.

Came back with 3rd ed. Have been playing my eldar, SM and DH since. I don't win every game, sometimes all I do is draw (much more frustrating for my opponents, actually.) and I lose my share of games, too.

I collected the armies I liked, not because they were the strongest. My eldar started in RT, as pirates and renegades. Converted to the path in 2nd-now, and it certainly isn't a hard army (not the way I play it).

Happens to everyone. Take a break. Do other stuff.
I spent my 'off' years chasing women and going clubbing. Lots of fun, but the game was still there in some form when I wanted back in - and some of the players still welcomed me back.

Sat down at the painting table yesterday. And spent a bit of time (2.5 hours) on a non GW model. I was shocked at the results, the mini looks great... Once I finish it up ill post some pics in my gallery, I just got the hair, eyes, a few other details to work on.

It was good to just paint for the sake of painting... I knew I wasent going to be using this model in a game, or be putting it on a display base mixed in with a unit. I just enjoyed doing a damn good (for me at least) paint job.

It was the model from adepticon 2006... pink coat with white fur... and i tried to do NMM on the front armor. standard skin.


now the question is do i paint up the SOB's i got in the order of the ebon chalice like in the dex (was my 1st plan) or do i paint the girls up with pink robes???

My gaming group tends to drift between game systems for variety. Although, we all have young kids now, so our gaming time has been significantly reduced.

My group barely played Fourth Edition. In fact, between Adepticon 2007 and Fifth Edition launch, I think that I played six games of 40k - four of them at Adepticon 2008. Instead, we played a lot of Hordes and Warmachine.

And if Hordes and Warmachine aren't your thing, what about Epic or Necromunda or even card games or board games? There's several good pirate board games floating around, and what's more fun than throwing back a few beers and shouting 'argh' as you throw dem bones?

chromedog wrote:Get married.

You'll soon get used to not winning ever again.

Whoa qft.

Seriously though take a break. Read some of the BL books (Cain, HH, Gaunts, etc...). I've been amazed what some reading can do for your interest in the hobby. I think reading the Cain books helped me finish half of my IG.

I loved the cain books. Need to pick up the last one, but I finish all the others.

Got 15 hours from adepticon... and have gunheads on lone from a gaming buddy... then there is the last chancers (all 700 some od pages of it).

maybe they will inspire me to buy build and paint some guard for my sisters to kick around.

Mordheim.
Free rulebook
Almost any fantasy miniature can be use.

People like the op are silly...changing armies over and over...hopping on the band wagon...its a game and hobby....play what minis you like...and have fun. If you play just the army or 2 that you like...then this hobby isnt that expensive at all....and very very fun. Its the people that army hop...or have 5+ armies that are broke...and burnt out. Play for fun if its not fun dont play