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Here is another picture from me:



That is a transport and I figured I could unload my models as pictured. However an opponent has told me that it's impossible to have a third rank (or column since it's vertical in the picture). His reasoning is that the bases are 1" wide, the third rank will not be within 2" of the transport.

However as pictured, the third rank is within 2" of the transport. You can see by the blue lines that there's not a full inch difference between the model in the first row and the model in the third row.

So are three ranks a possibility or not?

RAW yes it's possible.

However it becomes a grey area when you look at the models above and below the middle model in the third rank.
How far are they away from the opening ?

on a side note I once had someone say that a 2.5diameter marker scattering 3" hits a model with a base diameter of 0.5"

Your diagram does a good job of showing exactly why you certainly can have a "third rank" when you deploy withink 2" of a transport access point.

Also, infantry bases are just under 1" in diameter...not a full 1" across.

IIRC there is a picture in the rulebook showing a space of 2" between the models disembarking from a vehicle, supporting your diagram. I believe you are in the right.

If you have a squad of more than five terminators disembarking from one hatch of a landraider they might not all be able to fit within the two inch bubble. How would you handle that case?

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I have had this problem with playing Crusaders before. The only way you can get them all out is by snaking from the side hatch. So to make this a little more bearable I moved my bolter sponsen back and the doors up to the front.

For rhinos it just really annoying. One trick I have recently done has been to use a LoTR base block to deploy things from them.

The 2" deployment is actually pretty forgiving when dealing with 25mm bases (or whatever the standard troop base is). From the pictures shown in the BGB, as long as the model is in - for lack of a better way to describe it - base-to-base contact with the 2" zone, you're golden. That makes disembarking from a rhino relatively painless. Terminators, Landraiders, and their sponsons are another story.

The bases are pretty much 15/16th inches across, so even if you have three bases side by side coming out of the hatch, it's quite legal to do so.

I had someone once tell me that any terminators not within 2" of the assault hatch were destroyed if I tried to disembark. I used the side hatch also.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I had someone once tell me that any terminators not within 2" of the assault hatch were destroyed if I tried to disembark. I used the side hatch also.

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Did you inform them of how full of crap they were?

willydstyle wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:I had someone once tell me that any terminators not within 2" of the assault hatch were destroyed if I tried to disembark. I used the side hatch also.

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Did you inform them of how full of crap they were?

LOL I agree that they were. I solved the problem by putting the sponsons in the back so that 7 termies could easily disembark a LRC.

OMG thats modeling for advantage your a cheater you cheasy TFG WAAC meanie!!1!!!!1!!!

Oh and in case you didn't cop on:
</Sarcasm>

Funny, exact same argument came up last week. Made me glad I was just a spectator. It was late and both side were tired. So they enevitably dug in instead of being gentlemen about it.

I could have stepped in to help but I was working on something and am getting a little tired of being their rules referee. They ended up ending the game over an argument that could have been very quickly answered by reading the rule and using a tape measure.

To answer your question yes it is legal unless the rule state that the models must be Wholly within 2" which I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

Funny, the guy making the biggest fuss about this and other rules interpretations is also the one complaining about there being too much rules lawyering and arguing.

Go figure

focusedfire wrote:To answer your question yes it is legal unless the rule state that the models must be Wholly within 2" which I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

The freaking diagram in the section of the rulebook shows a marine that has about 0.000000000000000000000000000600000000100000000000077% of its base withing the 2" bubble, so it is safe to assume that you do not have to be fully within

focusedfire wrote:Funny, the guy making the biggest fuss about this and other rules interpretations is also the one complaining about there being too much rules lawyering and arguing.

Ah, so it isn't me pissing off people... for once. Go figure!

Gwar! wrote:Ah, so it isn't me pissing off people... for once. Go figure!

Try harder.

This is one of those things that gets a little irksome about 40k. Simply writing this question and making that diagram is annoying because you seem to be trying to squeeze out some sort of advantage. On the other hand, guys bitching about 1/16 of an inch need to be slapped. My rule of thumb concerning issues like this is "whatever". So long as you are not a jerk to me, I am cool with you. But the problem is that guys will often pull stuff that requires their opponent to be 'cool', and then rules lawyer you the very next turn.

For exiting vehicles, if the edge of the base of your model is 2" or less from the hatch, then you are good. If you can some how fit 3 bases in there, good for you. 2 and 1/4" is a negative.

If you want to avoid any arguement, arrange your guys so they are a little staggered. Like bricks in a wall. That should make up for the odd 1/16 of an inch.