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I play Eldar. My brother plays Space Marines. my brother has a friend who is tired of his space marines. my brother aquires lots of terminators, including assault termies with thunder hammers and storm shields. As I have not been playing very long, I require assistance... any suggestions would be awsome.

bullets lots and lots of bullets. no one in the world can save 1000 2+ amor saves

Massed small arms fire works best against Assault Terminators. Plasma/melta against the regular ones.

Danny Internets wrote:Massed small arms fire works best against Assault Terminators. Plasma/melta against the regular ones.

Danny is saying use Doom coupled with Bladestorming Dire Avengers or Flamery Storm Guardians to put the hurt on the terminators. If you are facing termis without TH/SS, then Fire Dragons, Wraithguard, or Fire Prisms will really put the hurt on them. Also, you can tarpit them pretty effectively with Dire Avengers equipped with Defend and a Shimmershield, as long as you can cast fortune on them. A Seer Council can stand up to them pretty effectively as well, and actually break them in CC and usually emerge with few casualties.

Seer Council is kind of a gamble because smart players will target the Farseer with as many attacks as possible. Anything that gets through is Instant Death and +3 to combat resolution. Most combats will see maybe 1 casualty on either side, so it's very possible for the Eldar player to take that loss and then break.

More often than not the two units will tarpit each other for a long time. Given the cost of an equally matched Seer Council versus a Terminator Squad, the SM player sacrifices much less.

Danny Internets wrote:Seer Council is kind of a gamble because smart players will target the Farseer with as many attacks as possible. Anything that gets through is Instant Death and +3 to combat resolution.

Impossible, the Warlocks are a retinue to the Farseer and the Farseer is therefore not an Independant Character while he is part of the Seer Council. Combat is worked out as if the Farseer is an Upgrade Character (like an Exarch or Nob) of the unit.

A viable tactic is Dire Avengers w/ a Transport. Assault them; you may get lucky and kill some but the point is to let them kill you on their turn; As long as the unit survives your round and is annihilated in their turn you get another round of shooting.


It sounds weird but it works; Huge volume of fire and assaulting will kill them.

Dire Avengers are the best as its a good point trade.

Dire Avengers with Bladestorm and a unit of Terms Doomed will smoke them.

33 shots hit on a 3+ , reroll wounds..

A Battery of 3 Warwalkers w/ ScatterLasers is good as well if it is guided.

Those are two just cheap units that work really well against terminators.


My Suggestion would be either a Doom Farseer w/ a few council members on Bikes followed up by a Dire Avenger squad in a Wave Serpentl;

or a 3 Man unit of Twin Scatter Lasers.

The problem you face is AV14 is tough as hell if they're in a Landraider; just very difficult as you'll have to focus first on destroying the Landraider w/ Bright Lance / Fusion guns and then assaulting them.

I am favorable to this

Farseer / Doom , Fortune , Jetbike ; singing spear,
4 Warlocks w/ Singing Spears

Why? First off it can harm a Landraider and that unit may still assault the unit inside. 5 STR 9 if it does strike is very good. Assaulting afterwards and wounding on a 2 plus with Fortune etc..

A very effective unit if it is supported well with Dire Avengers; Doom w/ Bladestorm is really nice.

Airmaniac wrote:

Danny Internets wrote:Seer Council is kind of a gamble because smart players will target the Farseer with as many attacks as possible. Anything that gets through is Instant Death and +3 to combat resolution.

Impossible, the Warlocks are a retinue to the Farseer and the Farseer is therefore not an Independant Character while he is part of the Seer Council. Combat is worked out as if the Farseer is an Upgrade Character (like an Exarch or Nob) of the unit.

Warlocks are a separate unit.

8 Terms w/ TH and SS in a Landraider is a tough nut to crack period.

Banshees or Fire Dragons tend to work well in my experience. Fire Prism or Starcannons (If you actually have them) are another good way to throw some hurt down.

Airmaniac wrote:
Impossible, the Warlocks are a retinue to the Farseer and the Farseer is therefore not an Independant Character while he is part of the Seer Council. Combat is worked out as if the Farseer is an Upgrade Character (like an Exarch or Nob) of the unit.

Wrong....warlocks are not a retinue. They are purchased seperately and the Farsee is not required to ever join the unit. The Farseer is also free to leave the unit any time he wishes, unlike a retinue.

As for killing termies, I prefer 3 SL armed WWs...24 Guided S6 shots a turn will make those termies cry

The sad fact of the matter is that Terminators are really not that hard to kill...

Danny Internets wrote:Seer Council is kind of a gamble because smart players will target the Farseer with as many attacks as possible. Anything that gets through is Instant Death and +3 to combat resolution. Most combats will see maybe 1 casualty on either side, so it's very possible for the Eldar player to take that loss and then break.

A seer council on foot should be joined with Eldrad or not include the farseer at all. A seer council on bikes is the same way. The seer council should also put out more than enough wounds to win combat against terminators.

Alpharius wrote:The sad fact of the matter is that Terminators are really not that hard to kill...

Very helpfull.

*Bleeep* and *Bleeep* is good. I especially like the suggestions on using *Bleeep*. Also the trick with *Bleeep* combined with *Bleeep* is good.
Keep it coming.

I used to play against a guy who would bring 2 units of 10 assault termies.
As a marine player I found that the biggest help besides having ap 2 ranged weapons (plasma gun)
was sheer volume of fire. A couple squads of tactical marines with Heavy bolters / plasma guns can
force a LOT of saves. Eventually they will fail.

When they do get close enough to assault you, just let it happen (normally my opponent would be down to 2-3 models per squad)
then use a countercharge unit with power weapons.

Assuming we aren't talking a deathwing army of all terminators rather one or two elite terminator squads.


10 Dire Avengers: Exarch with bladestorm, defend, PW and SS.

vs 5 termies.

Minimum doom the termies.
Next best fortune the DAs.
Third best guide the DAs.

So if you had enough farseers to do all 3:

27 shots. 24 hits. 18 wounds. Average of 3 dead terminators.

Charge them.

18 S3 normal attacks - 9 hits. 5 wounds. .83 dead terminators.
3 PW attacks - 2 hits. .55 wounds. .16 dead terminators.

Defend allows the one terminator only 1 attack. .5 hits .42 wounds. .17 dead dire avengers.


So with all 3 psychis... 4 terminators for .17 DAs.
top 2 3 terminators for .17 DAs.
just doom ... 2 terminators for .42 DAs.

The 5 termies are 200 to 240 points. Your DAs are 177 pts. The farseers you should have anyways it is whether you can afford to focus them all in one turn on those terminators.

Other easy is just have two DAs (exarch with 2 cats and bladestorm) with a doomseer just regularfire on them. 44 shots. 25 hits and 18.753 wounds that gets you 3 dead. Let them walk closer and then just doom and bladestorm. 64 shots. 48 hits. 24 wounds. 4 more dead or just regular fire for another average of 3 dead.

wave serpent + banshees.

im no eldar player (BA, ork and nid) but power weapons ruin saves pretty well, due to thier Init. and the fact they will get the charge then a large ish unit using a serpent to get into combat should work pretty well.

DAaddict, if you have Eldrad, you can guide, fortune and doom all together.

JD, 10 banshees charging terminators only kill about 2, (1.67). If they have an exarch, that number goes up, and doom helps, but they you are equal if not over the termies in point cost. The banshee's S3 is a real negative in this case. If the terminators have Storm Shields, banshees will get smoked, where as the Dire Avengers are still good.

do you have a librian
you could use null zone then devastatord

garret wrote:do you have a librian
you could use null zone then devastatord

Uh, this guy plays Eldar. Librarians are Spase Marienz (hurr).

Like most people have pointed out, Fire Dragons are your friends against normal Termies, and for Assault Termies, take lots of DA or Guardians with flamers and overpower them with lots of shots. Scatterlasers could be the answer.

Steelmage99 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:The sad fact of the matter is that Terminators are really not that hard to kill...

Very helpfull.

*Bleeep* and *Bleeep* is good. I especially like the suggestions on using *Bleeep*. Also the trick with *Bleeep* combined with *Bleeep* is good.
Keep it coming.

Huh?

Eldar have LOTS of high rate of fire weapons as well as troops who have wepons that negate a Terminator's 2+ save.

Seriously, it is NOT hard for Eldar to eliminate Terminators.

At all.

Thanks a bunch you guys, I used eldrad to guide my dire avengers, and doom the terminators, then my howlers finished them off. Thankfully he was only able to deepstrike one squad in at a time. I lost 6 dire avengers, and a banshee. he lost ten terminators, 5 with thunder hammers and storm sheilds. victory!