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Archmage
-Lvl4
-Book of Hoeth

Mage
-Lvl2
-Ring of Corin
-Dispell Scroll

Mage
-Lvl 2
-Silver Wand
-Dispell Scroll x2

Noble
-Reaver Bow
-Great Weapon

Archers (10)

Sea Guard (15)
-Shields
-Std & Mus

Swordmasters (11)
-Banner of Sorcery
-Full Command

Lion Chariot

Lion Chariot

Dragon Princes (5)
-Std & Mus
-Banner of Ellyrion

Bolt Thrower

Bolt Thrower

Bolt Thrower

Great Eagle

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I went for an overload of magic and a highly defensive list. I know I rely on my shooting and magic to get me through but so far in the few games I've played with it I have held my own. It just feels like it is missing something so I am presenting it to you for some constructive criticism.

All comments welcome

First question - what're you likely to face off against? Depending on the meta-game, more pointed suggestions could be made (let's face it, if you're going to a Tourney, you should adjust to handle things).

I'd say get rid of the Ring of Corin and try to get the Ring of Fury instead. A Power Level 3, single-use bound item is not worth it - you'll rarely get the spell off, and especially in tourney settings, you want reliability in your items.

If your tourney allows Specials, I'd go with Teclis over a generic archmage, but, that's all a matter of preferences.

Hi Kej,
One of the best Banners in the game is "The banner of Ellyrion". HE players should always use that.

For a mear 15 points you get, "ignors difficult terrain". Great for Calvary. You position the DPs behind difficult terrain so that only 1-2 of them can see around the terrain waiting for an enemy to come within 16 inches. Then POW you charge.

Your 3 RBT are going to be targets for flyers. Who is protecting them?

Sandy Death

SandyDeath wrote: One of the best Banners in the game is "The banner of Ellyrion". HE players should always use that.

Eh. You don't always have to use it. Yes, generally, it's a great banner to have, but for a list like this, it's not necessary. If you're going for a much more aggressive list, I'd say definitely get it, but for a defensive list, you can spend the 15 points for more bodies.

One concern, though, Kej -

Banner of Sorcery on a unit of Swordsmasters seems like a good way to have that unit shot up to death.

You don't need the Banner of Sorcery on Swordsmaster to get them shot at. With their high WS, each with 2 attacks with a great weapon and always striking first, they're going to be shot at as often as possible. Which should open up your other offense minded units.
For the Seaguard you are paying for them to be both spearmen and archers. Yet, unless they are on a hill only 5 of them get to shoot. I'd say either replace them with archers or spearmen.

Here's an army I took to a tourny and did okey with. Minor win, massacre and a major win. The Massacre was against me. A stegadon broke through and stampeded three ( Spearmen, Swordmasters and a RBT) HE units off the board.


Noble-- Steed/barding, foe blade, enchanted shield
mage - 2 mispel scrolls
mage - Ring of Fury
15 Spearmen - FC
15 Spearmen - FC
10 archers
10 Archers
5 Dragon princes FC Banner of Ellyrion
chariot
Lion chariot
15 Swordmasters FC
12 White Lions - FC, Banner of Lion Standard
7 Shadow Warriors
2 RBTs
1 eagle



And if you really want to go defensive you can drop the 2 WL chariots and the 15 seaguard and pick up 490 points. For those points you can add a fourth RBT, 2 units of 10 archers, 7 Shadow warriors and upgrade both mages to level 2

Also I forgot to mention, I (personally) don't like putiing expensive balastic weapons (reaver bow = 40 points) on my heros. What it does is take a guy who should be fighting and turning him into a sniper.

Sandy

1- No special characters. I generally wouldn't use one anyways.

2-Meta game is pretty average...but no one runs dwarf or empire gunlines so I don't have to worry about that aspect. No Daemons there either. Will be about 16 Local players. All the rest of the armies will be represented.

3-Forgot to mention that I had the Banner of Ellyrion on the DP's I decided to get the banner for the times when my opponent decides to try to break my deployment zone with trees. It keep my cave in a position to help my troops.

4-With the Ring of Corin I can have a chance, once all dispell dice are burnt through, to destroy magic items, which makes my troops even more effective when they get reached. (ie Helm of Commandment, any magical weapon or armor on a fighty character, any magical banner if they get close enough which most will). I understand the want for the Ring of Fury. I had it in my list first but that only affords me 2 dispell scrolls. It is a matter of dispell scrolls. I won't leave home without at least 3 anymore. With the prevalence of magic I always seem to need them.

5-Everything will be protecting my RBT's. Elite armies have to stick close. The only time they will be threatened is when I place one off on a flank, but that is rare.

6-Swordmasters are frail one way or another. They stay behind the archers or far enough back that not much can target them. I use them ONLY for a counter charge force. They never wander out on their own. I know they are frail but what else can take the BoS in my list? . It is a mandatory banner for me and I have to place it somewhere. The only better place to put it would be in a block of 20 Phoenix Guard but I can't afford to have them in my list because I lack enough to support them properly. At most I would run my swordmasters at 18 and that is pretty much never, so...

7-I would rather have one eagle and 3 bolt throwers so that I can march block a flank of my opponents army.

8- I could downgrade the Seaguard to Spears....but I find I like the flexibility when I am taking spears to a tournament. I will have to think about that. Spears are highly effective and definitely cheaper but I lose an archer block that can reform into a threat. That is a tough one.

9-Arhcers are just there to provide some more shooting. If I could afford more seaguard I would in a heart beat. They are just a second best thing. Archers don't impress me and there are other things I would want before I would buy a second 10. Shadow Warriors are kinda iffy but I do tend to like them.

10-Mages were already both lvl 2...forgot to put that in. Sorry, first fantasy list where the level of my mages needed to be typed. I typically play Tomb kings .

Let me do some thinking and reworking and I will resubmit. Thank you for all the replies .

meh
its a defensive list that absolutly relies on magical damage
3 RBt and 25 archers wont do that much damage in the shooting phase.
The swordmasters and dragon princes cant take on an entire army by themselves (you need 4-5 combat blocks with elves to take the fight to them). The two lion chariots can help with this but they won't always be able to pull through in the end.
The magical damage will do something but against certain opponents it just isnt enough as most armies are geared for anti magic because of the vampires out there.

Generally for high elves magic and shooting are support items. You need those combat blocks to take out the enemy when they get close.

Hi Again,
Just to address the Seaguard unit:

15 Seaguard , full command will cost 220 points as compared to a unit of 15 Spearmen with the EXACT same stat line costing 160 points. For the extra 60 points you get the luxury of having the first five Seaguard shoot arrows.

For that 60 points you cound buy another Eagle, or 2 more Dragon Princes, or you could drop the 40 point Reaver bow and now you have 100 points to play with. You can buy yourself a small unit of 6 Shadow Warriors or 6 Ellyrian Reavers or a Tiranoc Chariot.

Those are just some thoughts on tweeking your army.

Sandy

@Sandy - he's already maxing out his Rares, he can't get another Eagle.

Also, I don't know why one would ever use more than minimum Core with High Elves unless they were going for a Yvresse-themed list.

@Kej -

1. Fair nuff, I'm much the same opinion of specials. Just figured I'd toss it out there in case (Dunno how intense your gaming crowd's like).

I guess I should reword my comment about the Swordmasters:

I would imagine you wouldn't be charging them out to the enemy mindlessly, but I just don't see these guys as being a safe location for the BoS. In a similar vein, you don't have any real Anvil units in this list. Like cypher says, the list will really rely on magic to deal damage, but that could become a liability.