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I recently picked up some valkyrie kits. I was looking at the huge flight stand they come with and the big oval base. Seeing as how they are really huge...

How does one play charging them?

Would you:

(1) Assault the base?
(2) Try to project the 2d perimeter down onto the ground and move models to there.
(3) Play you can't assault it because you can't touch the model on it's stand?
(4) Something else?

Other problems:

How could you ever disembark normally and be in 2 inches of the doors on that stick?
Can you end a move over another model? Friendly, Enemy?
Does coming in 1 inch of an enemy count the vertical distance or not for regular movement?
Can you tank shock with it?
Can it be rammed?
What if someone modeled one on a shorter base... Is that, illegal?

I think some of these answers are simpler than others, but the game mechaincs sure are going to be strange and look funny.

What say you?

Some details quoted from BOLS:

BOLS wrote:Here are some hard facts about the flying stand. The transparent stand itself is 5 inches in height. Each of the four flanges of the base is an eighth of an inch thick which combined with its shape makes it quite sturdy.

The black plastic oval base that comes with the flying stand is the same one that comes with GW's metal dragon model for the Lord of the Rings game. It has a beveled edge and sits about one eighth of an inch high. It is nearly 4.75" long and 3.75" wide.

EDIT: included for those who haven't seen it yet.

Regarding the charging I play them by the rules

"when assaulting a skimmer ... models may move into contact with the vehicle's hull, its base or both."

You couldn't technically disembark within 2", most people play it as 2" on a horizontal plane.

You can't tank shock with it, it's not a tank.

Modelling it in a shorter base I think would be okay within limitations, If you are just trimming a few inches from flying stems to create variations in height so they are more interesting nobody will care. If you are making it really low it significantly effects the gameplay and may be viewed as modelling for advantage.

The other questions I agree are quite strange and my freshly awake mind cannot comprehend how to resolve them.

edit: Turns out my maths teachers weren't lying when they said it was useful, assuming the 45 degree vertical motion allowed for vehicle weapons is based around a forward facing plane so they can fire 22.5 degrees above or below that plane, the valkyrie would then be unable to fire at any thing within approximately 12" of it's weapon systems. That's horizontal distance, not direct measured distance.

While it doesn't answer a question it seemed this was the most relevant place for it

Augustus wrote:I recently picked up some valkyrie kits. I was looking at the huge flight stand they come with and the big oval base. Seeing as how they are really huge...

How does one play charging them?

Would you:

(1) Assault the base?
(2) Try to project the 2d perimeter down onto the ground and move models to there.
(3) Play you can't assault it because you can't touch the model on it's stand?
(4) Something else?

You Assault the base, read the section on assaulting skimmers.

Augustus wrote:How could you ever disembark normally and be in 2 inches of the doors on that stick?

No, you cannot, so most people play it that you deploy 2" horizontally from the access ports. Until we get an Erratas and FAQ, expect a lot of whining.

Augustus wrote:Can you end a move over another model? Friendly, Enemy?

As long as the base and hull remained more than 1" away from the enemy and is not physically occupying the same space as a friendly, I dont see why not (its 5" up in the air so Unless you are flying close to Titans or other Skimmers there shouldn't be a problem).

Augustus wrote:Does coming in 1 inch of an enemy count the vertical distance or not for regular movement?

You measure from the hull and base.

Augustus wrote:Can you tank shock with it?

Is it a Tank?

Augustus wrote:Can it be rammed?

Yes, and it gets the Skimmer saving throw.

Augustus wrote:What if someone modeled one on a shorter base... Is that, illegal?

Is painting my Models red Illegal? Is playing Necrons Illegal? "Illegal" is down to your Tournament organiser/clubs rules.

EDIT: Damn you Ozzie Flipping Ninja! Oh well, at least I got some answered you didn't

You have to use your imagination a little. So far we have played it from the base for assaulting purposes. The 5 inch flying base is there to make it look cool, and also get it off the table because it's so darn big.

If you were to shorten the base, the model would take up too much room. This way the foot print of the base doesn't make it too hard to maneuver around.

Not to be rude Augustus (you know I love you man), but we still have TWO other threads covering basically the same issue still on the FIRST page here in YMDC:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/238539.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/238774.page

Great that GWAR has provided such an insight such as;

"No, you cannot, so most people play it that you deploy 2" horizontally from the access ports. Until we get an Erratas and FAQ, expect a lot of whining."

The kit came out last Friday (US), so among your other very insightful comments, how can you back up the statement how 'most people' play it a certain way.

Good grief, get over the obtuse writings you post. Someone is asking questions and, like many of your other posts, come off as baiting, derogatory and frankly, not welcome.

Sarigar wrote:Great that GWAR has provided such an insight such as;

"No, you cannot, so most people play it that you deploy 2" horizontally from the access ports. Until we get an Erratas and FAQ, expect a lot of whining."

The kit came out last Friday (US), so among your other very insightful comments, how can you back up the statement how 'most people' play it a certain way.

I think that's a pretty safe assumption. You don't think most people measure access points 2" horizontally from the model regardless of its height? That's what I've always seen (and done) with other skimmers.

He was only saying that the rules as written don't match up with the way people tend to play skimmer access points, which is especially obvious when dealing with a skimmer that is 5" off the table.

Sarigar wrote:Great that GWAR has provided such an insight such as;

"No, you cannot, so most people play it that you deploy 2" horizontally from the access ports. Until we get an Erratas and FAQ, expect a lot of whining."

The kit came out last Friday (US), so among your other very insightful comments, how can you back up the statement how 'most people' play it a certain way.

Good grief, get over the obtuse writings you post. Someone is asking questions and, like many of your other posts, come off as baiting, derogatory and frankly, not welcome.

It's called "How everyone has played every other Skimmer Transport since the dawn of time."

Your rude tone and insulting nature are not wanted.

Gwar, go get more rum. Let mods know and they can handle it.

Gwar ! can be very insightful. I appreciate his candor and find it refreshing at times. I played with a thunderhawk in the gladiator this year and I had one opponent tell me that my terminators that could not deploy within 2" of a htatch counted as destroyed. He was measuring from the hull with the hatches closed. It was the second game and we had both drawn our first game so it was really an inconsequential game for all practical purposes. There is no soft scores in the gladiator so my personal opinion was my opponent was being a classic TFG. My opinion in general to this question is let your opponent deploy from the skimmer around the base and don't bother with measuring from the hatches. If you want your opponent to measure from the hatches it can add a lot of unecessary time to the game.

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:Gwar ! can be very insightful. I appreciate his candor and find it refreshing at times.

Glad to see some people still appreciate curt and direct answers.

P.S. Welcome to the Sig, edited to be spelled correctly of course

My faulty spelling is a by product of my iPhone touch screen key pad. That and the crappy spell checker.

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:Gwar ! can be very insightful. I appreciate his candor and find it refreshing at times. I played with a thunderhawk in the gladiator this year and I had one opponent tell me that my terminators that could not deploy within 2" of a htatch counted as destroyed. He was measuring from the hull with the hatches closed. It was the second game and we had both drawn our first game so it was really an inconsequential game for all practical purposes. There is no soft scores in the gladiator so my personal opinion was my opponent was being a classic TFG. My opinion in general to this question is let your opponent deploy from the skimmer around the base and don't bother with measuring from the hatches. If you want your opponent to measure from the hatches it can add a lot of unecessary time to the game.

G

I would agree if not for open topped vehicles, a specific benefit of having an open topped transport is that you can deploy without having to use hatches etc, tis goes along with the disadvantages for having an open topped vehicle. By all means deploy within 2" on a horizontal plane from the hatch with your extremely elevated vehicle, however I wouldn't allow you to just deploy around the base in whatever way you want and don't think it's wrong to say you cannot.

What I advocate is to give your opponent the advantage flat out. That in of itself is not going to make or break the game, so why not accomodate your opponent in this instance?

G

Because some people just want the win, not the win and the fun game.

yakface wrote:
Not to be rude Augustus (you know I love you man), but we still have TWO other threads covering basically the same issue still on the FIRST page here in YMDC:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/238539.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/238774.page

Sorry.