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1. If taking shrike, and infiltrating with say a assault squad, can you attach another HQ like a chaplan, and still infiltrate?

2. can non bike hq's join bike squads?

3. If taking 2 hq's with chapter tactics do you descide which to use before each game or event, such as a tournament?

Thanks guys

Brother Condon wrote:2. can non bike hq's join bike squads?

Yes, but they will move at the speed of the slowest model.

Brother Condon wrote:3. If taking 2 hq's with chapter tactics do you descide which to use before each game or event, such as a tournament?

If it's just a pick up game, it would be before each game. For a tournament or league, that's up to the organizers.

So shrike attached to a bike squad would move 12 right ?

Brother Condon wrote:So shrike attached to a bike squad would move 12 right ?

Correct. However, they could not TurboBoost unless Shrike Moves more than 2" away from them before they make their Move.

Brother Condon wrote:1. If taking shrike, and infiltrating with say a assault squad, can you attach another HQ like a chaplan, and still infiltrate?

Maybe you can, Maybe you can't, if it's a tournament ask ahead of time, if it's not a tournament expect to spend alot of time argueing before the game if you try to do it.

edit: I don't explain this because it's been done to death before, a search should turn up some very long threads regarding it.

I'll Explain it Quickly:

RaW: You Can't join Shrike pre Deployment, so you cant infiltrate as they are already deployed.

RaI: Maybe to Allow a Unit to Infiltrate, Maybe to allow a Unit to Outflank, No one knows ATM.

by that raw then you wouldn't ever be able to put Hq's in drop pods then unless it was with a command squad

Brother Condon wrote:by that raw then you wouldn't ever be able to put Hq's in drop pods then unless it was with a command squad

Actually, no that's wrong. Firstly, why is a command Squad any Different to a Normal Squad? It's not a retinue (which I assume is your reasoning), so your argument is flawed right off the bat. The rules for dedicated transports allow only the unit and any attached IC's to start the game in it/start in reserve embarked.

Secondly, Proofs:

Page 67 wrote:The only limitation of a dedicated transport is that when it is deployed it can only carry the unit it was selected with (plus any independent characters).

Page 94 wrote:Similarly, the player must specify if any transport vehicle in reserve is carrying any of the infantry units and/or independent characters in reserve.

Gwar! wrote:I'll Explain it Quickly:

RaW: You Can't join Shrike pre Deployment, so you cant infiltrate as they are already deployed.

RaI: Maybe to Allow a Unit to Infiltrate, Maybe to allow a Unit to Outflank, No one knows ATM.

I don't think that's really the question he was asking though, very few places take the strict RAW stance on this(the rule issue you brought up) and it appears he is assuming that shrike can attach to a unit pre game to infiltrate them. The pertinent question is whether or not a second IC can attach to the squad and also gain the benefit of the infiltration, once again strict RAW an IC without infiltrate can't deploy with a squad that has infiltrating through any means, but if you are assuming shrike can attach pre deployment it would presumably extend to other people.

The thing with giving a second IC the benefit of infiltrate, even if you aren't deploying them infiltrated but are instead outflanking them with the unit(allowing you to say the IC is attached in reserves so eliminating the question Gwar! raised), is that in the special rules section of the rulebook it is stated that ICs cannot benefit from a unit's special rule unless the rule specifically states that an attached IC can gain it. The debate then essentially revolves around whether or not "shrike (and models in his squad)" is specific enough to include ICs attached to that unit or not, and I can guarantee you people tend to disagree about it.

thanks guys for your help.