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The special rule says "causes instant death on the roll of a 6 regardless of toughness". Does anyone know if that would bypass synapse?

The Tyranid Synapse rule received an Errata:

Page 28 – The Hive Mind and Synapse Creatures, second bullet point.
The second sentence should be changed as follows:
Tyranids within Synapse range as described above (including the Synapse Creature itself) are not affected by the Instant Death rule. Note that this does not apply to Ripper Swarms..

So yes, it affects ALL instances of Instant Death.

No.
ID=ID.

Eternal warrior /synapse makes them immune to ID.

If it said "on a to-wound roll of 6 slays outright" or "...removes all remaining wounds" then they would, as these are not "ID"

It would bypass Synapse, as Synapse only blocks Instant Death that was caused by hitting said Nid with a weapon that was double their Toughness. Khan's weapon does not cause Instant Death in that fashion.

I'll have to check the exact wording of the text when I get out of the office. Is there anything in the marine arsenal that can bypass synapse? Damn nids need a hosing <laughs>.

Check the FAQ for Nids, their immune to instant death is against everything now. That's the last time I looked it up.

Not everything, GK Force Weapons still wreck there day.

InquisitorFabius wrote:Not everything, GK Force Weapons still wreck there day.

Only because GK Force Weapons don't cause "Instant Death"

Yes, they just kill the model out-right.

That was changed, models immune to ID are now immune to Force weapons. Or is there a difference in GK force weapons that I don't know about?

GK Force weapons use an older version of the rules that does not invoke Instant Death.

Older DH codex = higher points but some tradeoffs like this.

It does say, "Any rolls to wound on which Kor'Sarro scores a 6 will cause Instant Death, regardless of the target's Toughness." - Pg. 94, SM Codex.

Therefore, synapse providing immunity to ID, means this weapon will not insta-kill nids. Go with force weapons from GKs for the loop hole.

I'll have to look at the Demonhunters rule book this evening and the rule book again - that does not sound correct to me.

Antonin wrote:I'll have to look at the Demonhunters rule book this evening and the rule book again - that does not sound correct to me.

Yes, it sounds strange but that is how things stand. The Inquisition books are old and since their rules have not been updated/errated, they contain many rules/gear that work differently. One of the few remaining positive anacronisms are their Force Weapons that use the old mechanism of "slaying outright" without invoking a rule called "Instant Death". If your interested in a collected list of DH irregularities go to www.bolterandchainsword.com and their Inquisition subforum. They have a stickied summary.

ya older codexs have alot of loopholes like that. Daemonhunters with force weapons, Spacewolves with 5pt stormsheilds that give 3+ invulnerables now, and countless others.

Antonin wrote:I'll have to look at the Demonhunters rule book this evening and the rule book again - that does not sound correct to me.

Just because it doesn't "sound correct to [you]" does not mean that is the case. As pointed out, Space Wolves (until September) have a 5 point upgrade that gives us a 3++ save! That sure as hell doesn't sound right to me, and I'm a born and Bread Space Puppy, but that's how things go.

Grey Kight's Force Weapons do not use the BRB rules, because when the codex was written, the rules were not found in the BRB. So, GKFW say "Look at the codex for the rules for this shizzle", and the rules for them are pretty much the same as the BRB ones, with the exception that they "Slay the model outright" but do NOT cause the Special Rule "Instant Death" which is a very specific rule that can be negated by other special rules. As we MUST use the codex rules where they contradict the BRB, even on the same items (See the section on Smoke Launchers), GKFW are therefore able to Bypass eternal Warrior.

Now, whether this is a loophole GW never saw, or a super subtle way of making GK actually good against Daemons (ya know, the ones who are immune to "Instant Death" ) we will never know, but it is actually clear what you have to do (For once)