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Please don't vote until you've seen the movie and read the spoiler-protected text in my post below!


I know there's another thread about Star Trek, but that was a poll on whether you were going to see it or not, so I figured I'd start another based more specifically on what happened in the movie.

Preface: I'm no giant Trek fan, although I have seen all the movies and many of the TV episodes (can't say I watched much of Voyager or Enterprise though). I didn't try to read up on any spoilers pre-movie so about the only thing I had heard was some complaint from die-hards about how Kirk wasn't supposed to meet McCoy at the Academy or some other similar whining. I figured that with any good origin pic they're bound to twist some of the established facts around to make things more exciting. That's how these things work, right?

Wrong.



What do you all think?


Oh, and one more thing piqued my interest:




Beyond these questions, the movie was undoubtedly well made and great fun and a must-see for all sci-fans, for sure.




BTW, when replying, please make sure to use the 'spoiler' tags to protect any text you write that contains spoilers!!!

My thoughts on the "twist".

I don't know. I was a child watching the original series. James Tiberius Kirk was the most bad ass captain ever. He held Spock in check, had sex with the hottest females in the galaxy, was one hell of a bull gakker and could drop a bomb in your face if need be. The original series had some of the best SciFi writers ever. This movie already sounds like a pale comparison. Back in the day SciFi was a vehicle to get around the politically correct police and explore major problems with society. Kirk always kicked everyone's ass hard if need be. He was a genius.

I suppose I am just not excited about this movie at all.

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Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable'

This sums up my opinion.

barlio wrote:My thoughts on the "twist".

Spoiler:

Ok, if I remember correctly when the Romulan planet is destroyed it happens after the original "trek timeline" (i.e. several years after Kirk and the crew have died). I believe this because Spock is already really old (for a Vulcan). He uses the red matter to destroy the Supernova, but only after Romulus has been destroyed. That is why Nero is so pissed at him.

And Clthomps, I do love that video!

yakface wrote:

barlio wrote:My thoughts on the "twist".

Spoiler:

Ok, if I remember correctly when the Romulan planet is destroyed it happens after the original "trek timeline" (i.e. several years after Kirk and the crew have died). I believe this because Spock is already really old (for a Vulcan). He uses the red matter to destroy the Supernova, but only after Romulus has been destroyed. That is why Nero is so pissed at him.

Spoiler:

They say in the movie exactly when Romulus is destroyed, it was like 135 years in the future. The question is when does Next Generation (and other series after that) take place? Because as far as I remember there was a Romulan homeworld in those series.

Edit: Added ST timeline. I'm too busy to do the math.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Star_Trek

It fits in the time line.

I AM a die hard trek fan. I can keep an open mind about canon changes and movie enjoyment.

Only two things bothered me about this film.

1. Spock was a 'touch' too emotional for me, BUT granted the circumstances in the movie...its totally forgivable.

2. There wasnt really enough "Story" for me. However, this being an "origin" story, thats rather to be expected.

Sort of like how "batman begins" was great, but could've been better if we skipped the origin and got to the story...by the time the story really gets going though, thats 2 hours gone and we need to end it....but then you get "Dark Knight" and 'HOLY CRAP!' its awesome.

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Overall, I'm happy with the "Fresh" start we're getting here. If die hard fans think this is a slap in the face they need to go back and watch the movie where they go and find god.

This is a fan service. It is because they arent allowing the series to die by continuing "senior citizens in space" I love Shatner's Kirk...but he's gone the distance and its time to pass the mantle. We can now start up the series fresh and give this new "Bridge Crew" a chance to start their OWN adventures and make their OWN stories.

I am eagerly awaiting the next movie (which is already greenlit). If this movie is Batman Begins, and the Dark Knight is next...you wont see a single 'Trek' fan complaining. I think this new bridge crew has done an admirable job of picking up a mantle that is such a dangerous and hard prospect to start with. NOONE can replace the original crew or canon, to coin a phrase, "They can only succeed them."

Thank you J.J. Abrams. This is one Die-hard fan who's hat is off to you. You did a fabulous job.

His job was to revitalise Trek, many people including me thought that was a "kobiashi Maru" of movie making. Apparently, JJ Abrams doesnt beleive in the "no win scenario" either.

All I am sayng is I want the new Chekov to say "Setti Alpha 6". Oh, and I loved the movie, and if my nerddom is as high as I think, the thing that started the whole movie idea takes place after Next Generation.

One question: Why do we need to use the spoiler script when you have allready announced that the thread contains spoilers? It's annoying to have to "uncover" all the spoilers in a spoiler thread.

But I will respect the OP's request.



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By the way that onion thing was hilarious

Having now saw the movie, it may be a slap in the face for die-hard Trekkie (I was too young for the original series I got TNG and DS9 instead) it was a perfect re-imagining of the series for a new audience, whilst it does in some respect placate those die-hard Trekkie with such stuff like whether that's a spoiler or not I don't know, but its a film designed to bring in large audiences and bring star trek into the mainstream more than anything else.

All in all its a good action/sci-fi movie, but also a good Star Trek film as well.

I still retain that Babylon 5 was is and always will be better than Star Trek, but that's another discussion.

Saw the movie today and absolutely loved it. I'm not a big Trek fan myself, but I appreciated the amount of character development in the new film. I've seen a few of the old movies (not recently) and the characters often came across as flat. I felt this movie tried to flesh them out and for a two hour film I think they did a damn fine job. Also, I thought it was really well directed. Abrams' compositions and pacing were both very strong. If this is the direction future films go in I may be converted to a Star Trek fan yet.

There was a prequel comic book that explained the backstory to the movie.

The Romulan homeworld was destroyed after the events in all the TNG movies...Data is in command of the Enterprise at that point.

Is it Data or B4?

I'm a big star trek fan. HUGE. from the time I was 4,way back in 84, till High school, I loved wearing a yellow shirt and constantly pick fights and change girlfrinds for no reason other than thats what my Idol did. The Old Kirk wasn't the smartest guy in the world but he loved freedom, justic and people no matter what they looked like. Oh and Women, boy did he love women. And he had faults, like the Captain of DS9. I think this movie goes a LOOOONG way in fixing the crap that was TNG movies and that whole, We're perfect everybody else sucks, vibe Picard and crew gave off. Only Kirk and the Captain of DS9 understood that their uniform or even some rule had to be bend or broken. That makes them more human in my eyes. I give the movie 9/10.


If you want to see a slap in the face, check out the Phantom Menace. This is like going fishing with your rich "new Dad" Mom just married.

barlio wrote:Is it Data or B4?

Data

skyth wrote:

barlio wrote:Is it Data or B4?

Data

Probably better to say "both".

temprus wrote:

skyth wrote:

barlio wrote:Is it Data or B4?

Data

Probably better to say "both".

wat? Data's dead! it's B4.

I liked the movie, the little fan nods were really well done, Kirk losing every fist fight he got into made him look a little like a wuss though.

generalgrog wrote:Spock and Scotty bit

I am already highly expectant of the next star trek movie, after having waited for the last two to come on tv before watching them. I hope the next one is a big war between the Federation and the Klingons. They better not try and make the Klingons allies yet, it's too early.

I'm not sure if it's the ULTIMATE fan-service, but imo, the ending of Nemesis was said giant slap in the face.
Data's dead. Now he's not. We don't know.

The reviews are all hot so I think I'll go see it after all.

: )

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I thought it was great! A hell of a lot better than the old star trek.

I liked it.

I loved it.

It was both modern, and true to the original classic series.

Gritty, but optimistic

Futuristic, yet recognisable.

Action, but issue driven.

I love the fact that it is the same characters but there is a plausible reason for there to be differences. I am looking forward immensely to the sequels.

An excellent movie but rather silly of course. Why do you have to drill to the core of a planet? I mean, creating a black hole right next to the planet would do the trick just peachy I think--no need to drill to the core!

p.s. the hot green alien chick was a definite nod to the old school, as were the sound effects of the UCC Kelvin

olympia wrote:An excellent movie but rather silly of course. Why do you have to drill to the core of a planet? I mean, creating a black hole right next to the planet would do the trick just peachy I think--no need to drill to the core!

Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole.

Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole.

Sigged!

First off, I'm not a huge Star Trek fan, though I watched all of TNG and DS9 and most of TOS.

I didn't like the alternate timeline portion of the movie- it seemed an unnecessary complication for the plot that was there simply to justify any changes from TOS. I don't think that any justification was needed. One thing that always frustrated me about any Star Trek movie/tv show etc. was the incessant, incestuous, need to make sure the cannon was consistent. I'm glad that this movie could make nods to the past but still make changes when needed.