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If a skimmer makes a scout move before the game at flat out, on the first turn of the game does it count as obscured?

My feelings are no since Obscured says, moved flat out in the last movement phase. My interpretation is that a scout move is movement, but not a movement phase.

Without having my Rulebook here at work, I am inclined to say that yes, it would count as obscured. All normal rules apply to a scout move(DT tests and such).


When they wrote the rule, were there any units that qualified for this question? They probebly didn't even think that they should have written "the last time it moved under it's own power" instead of "last movement phase"

Actually though, I hope they don't, as I don't play an army that this question is relevent, but do play against many friends that the solution to this will be a big help.

I think they do.

Im looking forward to using Vendettas that start with the 4+ save because of it.

If I recall, the scout move says "scout move exactly as in the movement phase" so thats my basis. But not entirely sure.

No, they do not. 100% they do not. Checking the rulebook before answering the questions is fun!

The rules for Skimmers state:

A Skimmer that is not immobilised and has moved flat in its last Movement phase counts as obscured (cover save of 4+) when fired at.

The rules for Scouts say:

After both Sides have deployed (including infiltrators), but before the first player begins his first turn, any scouts may make a normal move. This is done exactly as in their Movement phase, except that during this move, scouts must remain more than 12· away from any enemy.

Nowhere does it say it is an extra movement phase. If you move flat out on the scout move, you will also have to move flat out Turn 1 in order to claim the cover save. If you are going second, this means you will not get the cover save when being shot at if you move flat out in the scout move.

Compare this to the wording for turbo-boosters:

In the following enemy Shooting phase. the bike benefits from a cover save of 3+ to represent the difficulty of hitting such fast-moving targets.

Because the rule mentions the enemy shooting phase AFTER they have moved, that is why they do get the cover save.

Well there ya go....makes sense to me.

Yep, no obscured (IMO) due to the "last movement phase" bit.

Also of note, Skimmers moving during their "scout" move still count as stationary during an assault. The rules for hitting skimmers all refer to how far the vehicle moved in its "previous turn", and scout moves are not part of any turn.

This means that not only do you not get the 4+ cover save for going flat-out as a scout move, but you will still be auto-hit as stationary in assaults, if your opponent gets the first turn.

Well, the rules support that you dont get the bonus, but it makes no sense honestly. Its the same as the IG getting to give orders in both players turns, makes no sense but the rules support it. This should be a FAQ.

broxus wrote:Well, the rules support that you don't get the bonus, but it makes no sense honestly.

A lot of things don't make sense. Why do Space Marines ever Fail their Armour Saves? Why are marines only 4/4/4/4 when they should be 55/55/77/89 with a 2+ Save that you roll 6D6 for? Thats what they should be.

Its the same as the IG getting to give orders in both players turns, makes no sense but the rules support it.

Oh god, not another one. No, it is NOT supported by the rules. AT ALL. Read the HUGE thread about it and see why please.

This should be a FAQ.

FAQ != I don't think it should be like this even though the rule is clear please clear up rules that are already clear. It's attitudes like that that lead to the Infamous "Blank Page Space Marine FAQ"