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Why so serious?

Lets put a smile on that face of yours.

HQ:

Eldrad

Farseer w/ Spirit Stones, Doom, Fortune, Singing Spear

Elites:

Harlequin Troupe
8 Harlies w/ Kisses, 2 with Fusion Pistols
Troupe Master w/ Power Sword
Shadowseer w/ Kiss

Harlequin Troupe
8 Harlies w/ Kisses, 2 with Fusion Pistols
Troupe Master w/ Power Sword
Shadowseer w/ Kiss

Harlequin Troupe
8 Harlies w/ Kisses, 2 with Fusion Pistols
Troupe Master w/ Power Sword
Shadowseer w/ Kiss

Troops:

x5 Pathfinders

x5 Pathfinders

Heavy:

Wraithlord w/ Scatter Laser, Missile Launcher, x2 Flamers

Wraithlord w/ Scatter Laser, Missile Launcher, x2 Flamers

Wraithlord w/ Scatter Laser, Missile Launcher, x2 Flamers

Total: 1846

What do you guys think?

A bit low on troops.
Imagine some outflankers or deep strikers with flamers. They can eventually take down your Pathfinders and then your chances to win the game are zero.
I'd add a Guardian Defender squad incl. Warlock with embolden.

Very fluffy but low on troops.
And even with the 2 Farseers I would imagine the Wraithlords might have a bit of trouble with wraithsight.

If you are willing to sacrifice a bit on the size of the Harlequin squads, you could easily fit in a 3rd troops choice; I might be inclined to try something like this:

Avatar - 155
Eldrad - 210

8 Harlequins, 7 kisses, shadowseer - 202
8 Harlequins, 7 kisses, shadowseer - 202
9 Harlequins, 7 kisses, shadowseer, troupe master w/ powersword- 240

10 Guardians w/ scatter laser, warlock w/ conceal - 125
10 Guardians w/ scatter laser, warlock w/ conceal - 125
10 Guardians w/ scatter laser, warlock w/ conceal - 125

1 Wraithlord w/ EML, BL - 155
1 Wraithlord w/ EML, BL - 155
1 Wraithlord w/ EML, BL - 155

Total: 1849
Kind of a hybrid between Harlequin and Wraithzilla
For any Guardian squad you could substitute either 5 Pathfinders (120) or 10 Storm Guardians w/ 2 fusion guns and warlock w/ embolden (127). The Storm Guardians could be extra fluffy if you were to use OOP Harlequins for them, and new Harlequins for elites.

you have no warlocks which means you will have to roll wraithsight, which can be a risk for an expensive unit

i would drop all the wraithlords and replace them with EML war walkers instead

i would also drop one harlequin unit in order to get more pathfinders on the board

im not sure exactly why you have Eldrad, I don't know if you really "need" him, he's great, but you could have two farseers for the same cost, or a farseer and an autarch to give a bit of flexibility

EasyE wrote:you have no warlocks which means you will have to roll wraithsight, which can be a risk for an expensive unit

The codex states that if they are within 6"[?] of a friendly farseer then they dont have to roll

Dude's list looks much better.
Three scatter lasers are good for horde control or targeting transports like Rhinos.

IIRC, only psykers are required to ignore wraithsight, and Shadowseers are psykers.

I'd think about Death Jesters for extra dakka.

Dude wrote:
Avatar - 155
Eldrad - 210

8 Harlequins, 7 kisses, shadowseer - 202
8 Harlequins, 7 kisses, shadowseer - 202
9 Harlequins, 7 kisses, shadowseer, troupe master w/ powersword- 240

A shadowseer can still be equipped with a harlequins kiss.

As eldrad cant fleet (and stops the harlequins being able to walk through terrain & hit&run) I would put him in a smaller squad.. roughly 6-7man. & get a death jester. Move & shoot this squad up the field, fortuning the other two squads or/and a nearby avatar.

Up the other two squads to max size.

Laugh at the number of failed Viel of tears rolls the other guys makes & also laugh at the amount of punishment a 5+ invunerable with a re-roll can resist.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys. Although I realize that a better plan would be to have those Guardians, but they leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'd also like to have 3 full squads of clowns.

I like the idea of Elfzilla though, so try this:

HQ:

Avatar

Eldrad


Elites:

Harlequin Troupe
8 Harlies w/ Kisses, 2 with Fusion Pistols
Troupe Master w/ Power Sword
Shadowseer w/ Kiss

Harlequin Troupe
8 Harlies w/ Kisses, 2 with Fusion Pistols
Troupe Master w/ Power Sword
Shadowseer w/ Kiss

Harlequin Troupe
8 Harlies w/ Kisses, 2 with Fusion Pistols
Troupe Master w/ Power Sword
Shadowseer w/ Kiss

Troops:

x7 Pathfinders

x6 Pathfinders

Heavy:

Wraithlord w/ Bright Lance, Missile Launcher, x2 Flamers

Wraithlord w/ Bright Lance, Missile Launcher, x2 Flamers

Wraithlord w/ Bright Lance, Missile Launcher, x2 Flamers

Total: 2000

Take some cheap guardian units for troops. I would just laugh if this list had to hold objectives. Two template weapons and your T3 pathfinders are gone without even an armor save. Definitely grab some guardians/DAs. Otherwise I don't even see this as a viable list.

How about

Avatar
Eldrad
10 Harlequins w/ kisses w/ shadowseer 2 x fusion pistol
10 Harlequins w/ kisses w/ shadowseer 2 x fusion pistol
10 Dire Avengers
10 Dire Avengers
10 Dire Avengers
10 Dire Avengers
Wraithlord, ELM & Brightlance
Wraithlord, ELM & Brightlance
Wraithlord, ELM & Brightlance

Pretty much the same theme as everyone else, but dire avengers have the ability to be horde like + fearless with Avatar + much shootier than any guardian defender squad, and more survivable too.

Sazzlefratz's list is a nice blending of Quin goodness and Elfzilla badness. It also opens the door to converting! With a little creative modelling you could turn a Necron Deceiver into an Avatar of the Laughing God....

I like the idea of using older harlies as "counts as" storm guardians or dire avengers and the new models as the elites. If you can find the old harlie jetbike cowlings, you could make a mould and cast it on the head of the wraithlords...

Just my $.02

If you want pathfinders, use 3x5man teams. It will cost you 48pts to reach.

Against armies that just cant deny coversave.. use aggresively with the rest of your army.

Against armies that utilize templates, play defensively from range.

Against armies that utilize lots of templates and/or ranged anti-cover either play that right at the back all sneaky like (out of LOS) or/and outflank them - All to keep them alive.

You could end up with some very survivable troop choices, following that advice.

N.b: If your ever threatened by a charge, move & fleet through cover (which you can ignore, the slowing difficult terrain tests) to avoid the charge.

Pathfinders are 24pts each, min 5, so 120pts
And Rangers are 19pts each, min 5, so 95pts

I could see removing a squad of dire avengers for 5 pathfinders. They can be nasty.

Fabreezio wrote:Thanks for all the suggestions guys. Although I realize that a better plan would be to have those Guardians, but they leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'd also like to have 3 full squads of clowns.

I like the idea of Elfzilla though, so try this:

HQ:

Avatar

Eldrad


Elites:

Harlequin Troupe
8 Harlies w/ Kisses, 2 with Fusion Pistols
Troupe Master w/ Power Sword
Shadowseer w/ Kiss

Harlequin Troupe
8 Harlies w/ Kisses, 2 with Fusion Pistols
Troupe Master w/ Power Sword
Shadowseer w/ Kiss

Harlequin Troupe
8 Harlies w/ Kisses, 2 with Fusion Pistols
Troupe Master w/ Power Sword
Shadowseer w/ Kiss

Troops:

x7 Pathfinders

x6 Pathfinders

Heavy:

Wraithlord w/ Bright Lance, Missile Launcher, x2 Flamers

Wraithlord w/ Bright Lance, Missile Launcher, x2 Flamers

Wraithlord w/ Bright Lance, Missile Launcher, x2 Flamers

Total: 2000

This list has 13 pathfinders. It requires 48pts to add in another two pathfinders to be able to complete 3 5man squads. In this setting (and, for 5pts extra, all settings) the extra rules (improved cover, mobility, shooty) are required to make the units effective.

Dire avengers? There are none - generally, these guys are best in a transport. Thier good foot-troops. I rarely see them fielded without transports although a properly equipped minimum wave serpent equates to about 10 dire avengers (before exarch upgrades) so I reckon it is pheasible.

Anyways this list looks good.. but has issues with troops. That issue is sortable, read above.

Edit: Oh & the removal of just one whole harlequin squad would easily bring it down to 1750 where it probably functions better as the few troops are less pronounced, points wise.

Razerous wrote:N.b: If your ever threatened by a charge, move & fleet through cover (which you can ignore, the slowing difficult terrain tests) to avoid the charge.

I'd just like to point out, Fleet given to a sniping unit. lol.

4E fleet must have made it useful.

Thanks for the advice on how to use them though.

An Eldar Darkly wrote:

Razerous wrote:N.b: If your ever threatened by a charge, move & fleet through cover (which you can ignore, the slowing difficult terrain tests) to avoid the charge.

I'd just like to point out, Fleet given to a sniping unit. lol.

4E fleet must have made it useful.

Thanks for the advice on how to use them though.

Well, like you said; Sniping unit. Sniping units get eaten in close-combat by even standard weak infantry, point for point. So thier ability to move & fleet (well its run, isnt it - I guess im still used to run being reserved for only the fleet people) through cover at full speed will allow them to deploy in cover & flee from assault-threat units.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm constantly underwhelmed by the effectiveness of sniper units, especially small units of them. Sure you don't want to run guardians? Get one unit of 20 with a warlock... They'll NEVER go away! I just never use more than 1 unit of snipers, and that's usually because I have points left over. I guess the one thing I don't really like about the list is lack of midrange firepower. Avatar and harlequins charging up the field, wraithlords firing, snipers trying to pick off elites, but not much to help if the harlequins get bashed after a round or 2 of combat. Fluffy goodness though. Now you just need to put the harlequins on jetbikes.