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Okay so here is the situation, during deployment the Tao player of our group always deploys his 4 broadsides on top of a solid building (or something like on top of a cliff or ruins.) The buildings are usually about 8-10 inches tall, and this has caused recent frustration as it gives him line of site to the entire board and thus the question arose if this was even legal.

Note: The rest of us deploy Obliterators/Lootas and such on top of the same kind of buildings, we were really just trying to figure out if a huge robot (with no jet packs) could get up. The tau player says they would climb up just like a human sized creature. The space wolf player says no ing way.

What do you think?

if obliterators can get up there broadsides can. There is nothing in the rules against this sort of thing unless you consider the building inpassible. Just don't put building in your deployment zones?

As long as the models in question are not beasts or vehicles they can access any level of ruins.

They are infantry, they follow the same rules as any other infantry models, if you let any other infantry models on the roof the broadsides can go up there as well.

you could say infantry can't go up there, only jump infantry, jetbikes, and skimmers, but then of course the Tau player can just put his broadsides in a devilfish and dump them up there if he really wants.

If you don't want models being on top of buildings because of how much LOS it gives them, just call the building impassable.

An Orca, Manta or other Super Heavy Tau transport could have dropped them there before the battle began!

I wouldn't have a problem with it, at the end of the day with true line of sight, if the Broadside can see and shoot me, I can see and shoot him too!

haderach wrote:if obliterators can get up there broadsides can. There is nothing in the rules against this sort of thing unless you consider the building inpassible. Just don't put building in your deployment zones?

He makes sure there is ALWAYS a building in every deployment zone, so that he can do this.

Well thanks for the help though guys.

First, if you object to the way he sets up terrain then get someone else to set the table up for you.

Secondly, if models can enter the building then they can move around inside it and get onto the roof. Broadsides might cause quite a bit of damage getting up there but they could do it. The alternative would be to classify them as impassable and then no-one's allowed inside or on top.

Yes, boardsides can go into builds and ruins.

Just put a bigger building in front of the one he has placed. Means he cant deploy on top of them without having LOS mostly blocked.

He'll get the message that deploying the same way everytime makes you predictable.

It is entirely legal - they are infantry so can walk up there. or deepstrike in before game starts etc.

You can do the same for vehicles, as long as you don't plan on moving them down from the building....

...you complain the he deploys on buildings, and yet have no problem doing it yourself?

No wonder he feels the need to have a building in his deployment zone, with all you guys breathing down his neck, id take every advantage I could too!

And you can shoot him to.

I can't tell if the OP is complaining about this or just curious, but... if your opponent is using legal tactics that annoy you or make winning difficult for you, adapt and adjust to it. If he is that predictable, you then know exactly where he's going to be.

Maybe even set up terrain that provides excessive cover while your troops move through the field.

KaloranSLC wrote:I can't tell if the OP is complaining about this or just curious, but... if your opponent is using legal tactics that annoy you or make winning difficult for you, adapt and adjust to it. If he is that predictable, you then know exactly where he's going to be.

Maybe even set up terrain that provides excessive cover while your troops move through the field.

Or Play Daemon hunters and take a Lance Strike

Gwar! wrote:

KaloranSLC wrote:I can't tell if the OP is complaining about this or just curious, but... if your opponent is using legal tactics that annoy you or make winning difficult for you, adapt and adjust to it. If he is that predictable, you then know exactly where he's going to be.

Maybe even set up terrain that provides excessive cover while your troops move through the field.

Or Play Daemon hunters and take a Lance Strike

VOIP

That would fall under adjustment, I think. I could be wrong, though. It's happened before.

Drunkspleen wrote:but then of course the Tau player can just put his broadsides in a devilfish and dump them up there if he really wants.

If you don't want models being on top of buildings because of how much LOS it gives them, just call the building impassable.

Actually, Tau Battlesuits can't load into Devilfish, due to the Tau codex ruling. I agree that fluff wise, an Orca could drop them off before the battle.

As an interesting side note, Jump Infantry (and therefore Jet Packers) have the following paradox: "Jump infantry models may not end their move on top of other models or impassable terrain, except that they can end their move on top of impassable terrain if it is actually possible to place the models on top of it."

So making buildings impassible would solve your problems with infantry (and therefore Broadside) deployment, but Jump infantry could still move on top. What an oddly written sentence. Why say you can't and then immediately say you can?

What the meaning of the first bit is to stop them being placed in impassible terrain (such as a Lava flow for example) or on top of other models, but they can be placed on top of Impassible terrain (like a tall cliff), so long as they fit there. That's how I have always read it anyway.

That's being pointlessly semantic. Why is standing on top of a lava flow disallowed? The model is just as much _on_ the impassable terrain then as if they were standing on a building.

(and just to point out, I've never seen lava classified as impassable terrain - it's always been dangerous)

Bookwrack wrote:That's being pointlessly semantic. Why is standing on top of a lava flow disallowed? The model is just as much _on_ the impassable terrain then as if they were standing on a building.

(and just to point out, I've never seen lava classified as impassable terrain - it's always been dangerous)

I know, I'm just pointing out one possible reading. As always, clarify any terrain situations with the TO/Opponent.

One time someone called me out on deploying my thunderfire cannon on the upper floor of a ruin. There are rules that vehicles can't move up or down a floor of a ruin, however there is nothing saying that it can't be deployed there. Just once it is there it can't get down.

asugradinwa wrote:One time someone called me out on deploying my thunderfire cannon on the upper floor of a ruin. There are rules that vehicles can't move up or down a floor of a ruin, however there is nothing saying that it can't be deployed there. Just once it is there it can't get down.

Yesh, but it's called common sense. If it cant move there, it shouldn't be able to be deployed there. Yes RaW you can deploy it there, but you run into major Problems (especially if you use a Grot Battery for example) if you have to fall back.

synchronicity wrote:Actually, Tau Battlesuits can't load into Devilfish, due to the Tau codex ruling. I agree that fluff wise, an Orca could drop them off before the battle.

What's this mysterious ruling that you speak of but fail to cite in any useful fashion?

When my group plays we treat all buildings that don't have enough floors to be climbable (you can only move up so far remember) as impassible to avoid situations like this where you can deploy to places that people can't actually get to.

Drunkspleen wrote:

synchronicity wrote:Actually, Tau Battlesuits can't load into Devilfish, due to the Tau codex ruling. I agree that fluff wise, an Orca could drop them off before the battle.

What's this mysterious ruling that you speak of but fail to cite in any useful fashion?

Oh! I'm sorry, forgive me!.

Tau Empire Codex: p36, Devilfish entry wrote:Transport: The Devilfish can carry up to twelve models. It may not carry any troops in XV battlesuits.

All better?

synchronicity wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:

synchronicity wrote:Actually, Tau Battlesuits can't load into Devilfish, due to the Tau codex ruling. I agree that fluff wise, an Orca could drop them off before the battle.

What's this mysterious ruling that you speak of but fail to cite in any useful fashion?

Oh! I'm sorry, forgive me!.

Tau Empire Codex: p36, Devilfish entry wrote:Transport: The Devilfish can carry up to twelve models. It may not carry any troops in XV battlesuits.

All better?

Dont worry we forgive you. I was unaware there were Troops with XV Battlesuits, I thought they were all Elites or Heavy Support? </Sarcasm>