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Also, I doubt cabling would be a massive issue when they are capable of making something like a jaeger. Also, they wouldn't have to place that many, you could just go for a few massive ones to extend their range, powerplant could be as big as they want.
Because the solution to everything is just adding more powerplants, this is why we're launching spacecraft with ion lasers now
Also, I doubt cabling would be a massive issue when they are capable of making something like a jaeger. Also, they wouldn't have to place that many, you could just go for a few massive ones to extend their range, powerplant could be as big as they want.
Because the solution to everything is just adding more powerplants, this is why we're launching spacecraft with ion lasers now
When in doubt, MOAR POWAH!
You know thats my solution too but darkinit really dislikes it when I crash his minecraft servers
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Also, I doubt cabling would be a massive issue when they are capable of making something like a jaeger. Also, they wouldn't have to place that many, you could just go for a few massive ones to extend their range, powerplant could be as big as they want.
Because the solution to everything is just adding more powerplants, this is why we're launching spacecraft with ion lasers now
When in doubt, MOAR POWAH!
You know thats my solution too but darkinit really dislikes it when I crash his minecraft servers
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
I gotta admit that I normally loathe 3D movies because they rarely look like more than a magic eye puzzle to me, but Pacific Rim is one of the extremely rare cases where it actually looked fantastic in 3D. I was very surprised at that.
I loved the great angles on the big things which make them feel a lot bigger. But since everyone is gushing about how good it is, anything I say will be repeats, so here's what I disliked.
-The guy's before-battle speech. "Today, we cancel the apocalypse!" Really? How about "Today we trip over the apocalypse's power cord and SHUT IT OFF!"
-The two scientists. Both were walking stereotypes that didn't feel natural.
-Predictable story + action hero love interest. Everyone's gotta have one.
-No one was supporting the jaegers. Shouldn't there be entire squadrons of planes giving this robot some fire support?
-The opening scene that mentions and shows the kaiju being turned into toys. It's okay to say constant victories were making humanity take kaiju less seriously, but that was going too far. Took a lot of umph out of knifehead's big moment.
-Mentioning the dinosaurs were attacked by the Kaiju. I was like "what?" How does that add to the story? It's extra baggage that creates a ton of questions. So the alien civilization is 65 million+ years old and giant monsters is the best they can do?
It's okay though, I still liked it *cuddles*
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CuddlySquig wrote:I loved the great angles on the big things which make them feel a lot bigger. But since everyone is gushing about how good it is, anything I say will be repeats, so here's what I disliked.
-The guy's before-battle speech. "Today, we cancel the apocalypse!" Really? How about "Today we trip over the apocalypse's power cord and SHUT IT OFF!"
-The two scientists. Both were walking stereotypes that didn't feel natural.
-Predictable story + action hero love interest. Everyone's gotta have one.
-No one was supporting the jaegers. Shouldn't there be entire squadrons of planes giving this robot some fire support?
-The opening scene that mentions and shows the kaiju being turned into toys. It's okay to say constant victories were making humanity take kaiju less seriously, but that was going too far. Took a lot of umph out of knifehead's big moment.
It's okay though, I still liked it *cuddles*
I think the lack of fire support is tied to the hubris (hence, it becoming akin to a sport) and thus it was never Knifehead's big moment, any more than Icarus' fall was the Sun's big moment..
The scientist who wasn't English (I don't even bother learning movie characters by name) was a total Egon Stetman clone (SC2). He even had a big tank full of throbbing alien tissue that had grasping tentacles
CuddlySquig wrote: The scientist who wasn't English (I don't even bother learning movie characters by name) was a total Egon Stetman clone (SC2). He even had a big tank full of throbbing alien tissue that had grasping tentacles
And SC2 totally ripped off 40k!
Saw it, enjoyed it. Especially when the flying Kaiju kept smashing the Jaeger into the tops of buildings.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
CuddlySquig wrote: I loved the great angles on the big things which make them feel a lot bigger. But since everyone is gushing about how good it is, anything I say will be repeats, so here's what I disliked.
-No one was supporting the jaegers. Shouldn't there be entire squadrons of planes giving this robot some fire support?
-The opening scene that mentions and shows the kaiju being turned into toys. It's okay to say constant victories were making humanity take kaiju less seriously, but that was going too far. Took a lot of umph out of knifehead's big moment.
-Mentioning the dinosaurs were attacked by the Kaiju. I was like "what?" How does that add to the story? It's extra baggage that creates a ton of questions. So the alien civilization is 65 million+ years old and giant monsters is the best they can do?
It's okay though, I still liked it *cuddles*
To the first, remember all those old kaiju movies (if you've seen them), when the Japanese launch waves of missiles and their special anti-kaiju weaponry and it does nothing? Same thing here. It's explained in the book that it took 3 tactical nukes, in rapid succession, to bring down Trespasser, which was a Class I. By the time we get to Knifehead (the largest Class III by that time), conventional weaponry was completely useless. And the world decided that nukes weren't going to cut it after they managed to take down the first half dozen Kaiju that appeared.
Second, Knifehead appeared in 2020, which was after the whole Jaeger-craze, and when the Jaegers started to lose their effectiveness. If anything, losing Gipsy Danger to Knifehead was a bigger blow.
Third, dunno if it makes it any better, but the book takes it that the Dinosaurs were actually the Precursor's first experiments in creating Kaiju, but the Earth's atmosphere wasn't right yet so they waited, switched over to silicon-based lifeforms, and made them a whole lot bigger (apparently time moves differently on the other side of the Breach, too). And remember that those Giant monsters were pretty effective, especially when they started getting bigger and meaner.
I am often irritated at the implementation, but this was one of the ones I have been really happy with. It was obviously meant to be seen that way (at least as a deliberate thought, instead of a post-production gimmick) which made pieces simply amazing to watch.
I never really felt the odd disconnect that movies instigate when moved to 3d post-production. Occasional pieces seemed to move oddly in 3d but I am not certain they were not intentional - I talked with my lady about some odd paralax issues in some of the drift sequences, but we could not really determine if it was oddities in filming or deliberate shifting given the sequence.
Also a good thing, I daresay.
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Just saw it. This movie hit just about all the right buttons for me. I'm really struggling to find complaints that don't feel nit-picky to me. I tend to be one of those folks who have trouble with suspension of disbelief, so I knew I was watching some special when they dragged that boat in and instead of anything smarmy all I was thinking was "YEAH! HIT IT WITH THE BOAT!".
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I'm thinking I really need to hit Barnes and Noble and get the book. It sounds like it is the usual case where the novelization adds tons more interesting commentary.
I tend to be one of those folks who have trouble with suspension of disbelief, so I knew I was watching some special when they dragged that boat in and instead of anything smarmy all I was thinking was "YEAH! HIT IT WITH THE BOAT!".
The people who enjoyed the movie are the ones who are satisfied with that being the entire point of the movie- to indulge you inner 10 year old. I mean, c'mon......shipping containers as brass knuckles? Hell yeah.
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AegisGrimm wrote: I'm thinking I really need to hit Barnes and Noble and get the book. It sounds like it is the usual case where the novelization adds tons more interesting commentary.
I tend to be one of those folks who have trouble with suspension of disbelief, so I knew I was watching some special when they dragged that boat in and instead of anything smarmy all I was thinking was "YEAH! HIT IT WITH THE BOAT!".
The people who enjoyed the movie are the ones who are satisfied with that being the entire point of the movie- to indulge you inner 10 year old. I mean, c'mon......shipping containers as brass knuckles? Hell yeah.
Well there was bit more to it than that for me. Certainly it was simple movie by any standard, nothing deep or complex about it. However in addition to the action I just enjoyed the fact that in a sea of gritty, dark, somber and cynical here that this was willing to be unabashedly straight forward and positive in its themes.
This movie felt a lot like Independence Day to me. Another movie which I love, that the stuffy types just always seem to be willing to bash. Whatever. It's awesome, silly and is actually kind of saying something nice with all its OTT ham-fisted fun.
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The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Just seen this movie.
Hell. Fething. Yeah.
Sure, the acting was so hammy it made BRIAN BLESSED look modest, sure the story was extremely simplistic, but I don't care-I came for a B movie with today's technology, and that's what I got. And it was glorious.
No doubt this film will be ripped apart by the stuck-up, snobby, over-paid and often bribed scumbags that call themselves critics, much the same way the Transformers movies were, but they can get stepped on by a Jaeger for all I care. This movie was pure unadulterated awesome, and that's not something we see very often anymore.
I demand moar.
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Rented Tritium wrote: Please don't lump this in with the unbelievably bad transformers movies.
I'll have you know I quite liked the Transformers movies...
(although it probably helps I have always been a massive fan of Transformers ever since I was a kid)
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The 3d was okay and action was good but I thought the rest was quite cringe worthy to be honest, and the plot was cheezy. I've seen better Mecha movies.
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Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.
The Grumpy Eldar wrote: The 3d was okay and action was good but I thought the rest was quite cringe worthy to be honest, and the plot was cheezy. I've seen better Mecha movies.
Which ones? I honestly didn't think there were any non-anime mecha movies since Robot Jox. If there were, I'd love to see them.
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
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English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
Which ones? I honestly didn't think there were any non-anime mecha movies since Robot Jox. If there were, I'd love to see them.
The Iron Giant, Real Steel, Robocop. Well they ain't got giant robots in them so, except for The Iron Giant.
I rather keep my giant robots in my anime and games though where it's the most logical.
I ain't saying the movie was bad, but it certainly wasn't my cup 'o soup
Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.
The Grumpy Eldar wrote: The 3d was okay and action was good but I thought the rest was quite cringe worthy to be honest, and the plot was cheezy. I've seen better Mecha movies.
Which ones? I honestly didn't think there were any non-anime mecha movies since Robot Jox. If there were, I'd love to see them.
Robot Wars was a sequal to Robot Jox, so there's that.
Which ones? I honestly didn't think there were any non-anime mecha movies since Robot Jox. If there were, I'd love to see them.
The Iron Giant, Real Steel, Robocop. Well they ain't got giant robots in them so, except for The Iron Giant.
I rather keep my giant robots in my anime and games though where it's the most logical.
I ain't saying the movie was bad, but it certainly wasn't my cup 'o soup
azazel the cat wrote: With the exception of No Country For Old Men (thanks to its Oscar hype), all the films I listed bombed at the box office. However, the points still stands that they didn't need to make Batman-levels of money. Even Fight Club, whose budget ballooned, still didn't need to make all that much in order to turn a profit (comparatively). Pacific Rim, however, is closer to the Avatar levels of return required. Hence, the borderline-slapstick humour and pedestrian symbolism.
Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you. Your point that when you've got a film with this kind of investment then you need large audiences and international audiences, and unfortunately the only way to ensure a film works for all cultures is to use easy humour and simplistic storytelling.
I was just saying your list of films that feel like they were personally written for you is quite close to my own, and that Fight Club was actually a pretty big budget film for the time.
And yeah, Fight Club didn't need to make Batman level money to break even. But it fell miles short of the budget it did need, so much so that of all the films mentioned so far, it's the only one whose performance got about half the board of FOX fired.
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Soladrin wrote: Keep in in mind that in Japan, slapstick is still by far the most popular form of comedy.
As for the movie, yeah, most of the story elements could have been completely removed and it wouldn't have changed the movie.
The mis-use of equipment was annoying. (how about softening up targets before engaging in close combat?)
Something else that I find EXTREMELY annoying in almost any type of disaster/monster movie or whatever... Why are jet fighters/bombers always flying within 20 meters of the enemy to fire cannons with ranges of up to 5km and missiles with ranges of over 10km? There would never have lost a plane to these things if there was an actual pilot in there.
As usual, the military was wholly mis-represented like in every disaster movie.
With all that said, non of those issues impacted my actual enjoyment of the movie. I just hope it opens the door for more big budget mecha movies. I want a mechwarrior/battletech or Armored Core live action movie, now.
I've always wanted to a see a movie where the alien/demon/robot/whatever horde shows up, and the military just kicks in to gear and sets about beating them in a proper, honest to goodness war. None of this 'our planes are ineffective because we fly so close that the sea monsters can punch us' nonsense. Just proper, honest to goodness war porn, with a skilled and professional modern military taking on the alien/demon/robot/whatever horde.
I mean, we've been doing this war thing for thousands of years now, and are now applying all kinds of crazy science and industrial skills to producing some incredible weapons of war. Let's celebrate that properly.
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CuddlySquig wrote: I loved the great angles on the big things which make them feel a lot bigger. But since everyone is gushing about how good it is, anything I say will be repeats, so here's what I disliked.
-The guy's before-battle speech. "Today, we cancel the apocalypse!" Really? How about "Today we trip over the apocalypse's power cord and SHUT IT OFF!"
-The two scientists. Both were walking stereotypes that didn't feel natural.
-Predictable story + action hero love interest. Everyone's gotta have one.
-No one was supporting the jaegers. Shouldn't there be entire squadrons of planes giving this robot some fire support?
-The opening scene that mentions and shows the kaiju being turned into toys. It's okay to say constant victories were making humanity take kaiju less seriously, but that was going too far. Took a lot of umph out of knifehead's big moment.
-Mentioning the dinosaurs were attacked by the Kaiju. I was like "what?" How does that add to the story? It's extra baggage that creates a ton of questions. So the alien civilization is 65 million+ years old and giant monsters is the best they can do?
It's okay though, I still liked it *cuddles*
I was thinking the same thing about the Dinosaurs until a second later I started thinking, okay, I'm sitting here watching a movie with giant robots bashing monsters up the side of their head with ships. I guess I can say that there is some kind of effect where time is all scawompas between the dimensions. Either way it was a fun show, eh?
hotsauceman1 wrote: I know, but me and my friend starting making jokes about that when their final plan was a giant wall. Seriously why did they think a concrete wall would stop it?
If I recall correctly, when you see the first shots of the wall, you see some fairly massive gun emplacements on top as well. Remember how it took like 6 days and 3 destroyed cities to kill Trespasser? I believe the idea is to slow them down and pound them for hours with everything they've got mounted on the wall (along with conventional forces I suppose; artillery and aircraft, etc). Still might take hours to put them down.
As for what good was it for?
Spoiler:
Seems the Jaegers had been keeping them back, if at significant losses. This was the first test, and it failed spectacularly, especially since the Kaiju 'design team' had decided to throw down one specifically meant for battering through the ramparts.
As for why the 3D looked awesome, instead of the "month or two" rush job that a lot of post-conversion 3D upgrades take, GdT had a team spend 40 weeks doing the conversion.
Also, in a mere 9 days the international gross is now nearly $179m (over 62m domestic). Perhaps the chicken-little'ing can cease now? Yes, the studio only gets like 2/3 of that and it's before the marketing budget, but it's also not including merchandise and DVD sales, which I doubt will be a drop in the bucket. No, it's not the next billion dollar blockbuster, but unless we see a bunch of that "hollywood accounting" in action, it doesn't seem to be a giant money pit either.
Hell, it's not even out in a dozen countries yet, including China (July 31st) and Japan (August 9th).
Anyway, saw this film opening night with two friends, and we loved it. I agree that it's worth seeing in 3D, assuming such films don't leave you with a splitting migraine afterwards, as I know they do for some people. The performances were what I expected (with some surprise stand outs, particularly 'little Mako' and Idris Elba. The action was true to the roots they were drawing from, and done with a sense of scale and spectacle I really appreciated. Was it unrealistic? Of course. The bipedal form is terrible at that scale. Supporting that much mass on the rough 4% of its surface area (which I've read to be roughly what we do) would have the Jaegers plunging through any surface not specifically reinforced to support them, let alone coastal areas.
I also really liked how there was a relationship between characters that was intimate without feeling blatantly romantic, if you see my distinction, and from what I've read, that was intentional. At least aside from the sort of eyeroll worthy 'defending the maiden's honour' moment part way through (though delivering a butt kicking that was in dire need of happening).
Like, I'm not one to generally fall back on tvtropes and their ilk, but that's really how this whole movie was made, at least from what I've seen and read. As per GdT's standard, the monster designs were spectacular, and while obviously a lot of love went into the Jaeger designs, they specifically aimed to avoid homages, which I also appreciated.
Oh, and from everything I've read, Dinosaurs did not have "two brains". I've read theories that one specific dinosaur species (Stegosauria?) might have had a secondary nerve cluster, based on the size of the animal (a couple of tons?) in comparison to the cavity its brain would've occupied (roughly the size of a walnut?) But then again, crazy pseudo-science is kind of par for the course in the source material, so it's a weird position; do you take issue with something that is simply true to the insanity which spawned it?
Might just have to go grab the art book and precursor graphic novel. While I'm not counting on this becoming an unstoppable franchise, I'd certainly like to see more, and it sounds like GdT and team have some crazy ideas if they get there.
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