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I wonder if there will be any SoB in this supposed Inquisition-themed skirmish game in the fall? Would be a nice preview of things (potentially) to come ...

Skriker wrote:If GW had been smart about it and they seldom are, they would have released a brand new Space Marine codex in the slot they released Dark Angels into with Dark Angels being a quick followup supplemental. Perfect time to reign in the different chapter codex insanities.

Yes, exactly. These supplements seem to be a pretty new decision - one that, at least in the case of the Space Marines, they've decided to introduce at one of the worst possible moments. Oh well ...

It does make me wonder what this might mean for the other Chapters, though I have a feeling BA and SW would still get a full Codex rather than a supplement, just because that's how it's been for years - and judging from the other thread, they are supposedly missing from the main Codex entirely.

Skriker wrote:After all the real differences between the chapters are minimal, unless they have to come up with a full codex of new goodies to validate writing a full codex in the first place.

On that note, I have to say that I'm pretty sceptical regarding the addition of new units such as those Centurions. Although the concept is cool, the addition of such a fundamentally "different" unit after all those decades of the Marines having had a fairly stable Chapter organisation is something that I as someone who likes consistency in their setting fail to appreciate. I mean, the Centurions essentially necessitate a rework of the entire Chapter structure, don't they? Vehicle variants are one thing, but this ...

Manchu wrote:I wonder if there will be any SoB in this supposed Inquisition-themed skirmish game in the fall? Would be a nice preview of things (potentially) to come ...

Now that's an interesting thought. It probably depends on how much they let their own material inspire them. The Inquisitor game already had SoB characters, after all (even though they were not in the core rulebook, but only added later via magazine and website articles).

The word is that these models will be 28mm rather than 54mm. So if there is a Sister in it ... well, like I said, a nice taste of things to come.

 Manchu wrote:
Yes, even apples and oranges have similarities. But they are still apples and oranges.

But both armies were largely ignored by GW and fans of each grew concerned about their army's future. That's a pretty obvious fact. Sure there's differences in exactly how they were ignored, but overall it was still a case of both not getting much attention and concerned fans.

You keep talking like BT is a faction when it's merely a subfaction that happened to get its own dex and now happens to not have one. It's like saying Catachans have been ignored since 2001.

The new Catachan sprue is just a few extra pieces. Atleast BT have the sweet conversion kit. The only non-FW themed Rhino and Land Raider doors.

I see from a report form Gamesday Germany there is a report that Jervis has confirmed that SoB are been worked on.

-one guy actually asked why there were so very few female characters in 40k, to general good-natured amusement - they said it was mainly because they have almost no women in their team, so they kind of fear that anything they might do could be involuntarily sexist, or something along those lines
-Sisters of Battle are definitely in the works, but still some way off, according to Jerv

This is in a report from Tyrendian on BOL's
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?34864-Gamesday-Germany-2013-Master-Roundup/page2

 Manchu wrote:
You keep talking like BT is a faction when it's merely a subfaction that happened to get its own dex and now happens to not have one. It's like saying Catachans have been ignored since 2001.

Every servant of the Emperor is a subfaction of a subfaction etc pp if you want to go there.

Emperor >IoM > Ecclesiarchy > SoB

Emperor > IoM > Astartes > personal favorite flavor of astartes.

Plus they ignored the Tallarns, the Mordians, the Valhallans, Armageddon Steel legion, and many more.

So please, SM are next and Kroothawk just added Nid rumors.
BoT: SoB endangered by nids?

It's really quite simple. SoB are not SM. BT are SM.

 Manchu wrote:
You keep talking like BT is a faction when it's merely a subfaction that happened to get its own dex and now happens to not have one. It's like saying Catachans have been ignored since 2001.

Yes, it is a subfaction. Like I said, they are ultimately Marines and them being rolled in is probably a good thing. All I'm saying is that I sympathised with the BT fans. I can't help it! Dammit they love their religious nutters as much as SoB fans love theirs!

 Desteele wrote:
-Sisters of Battle are definitely in the works, but still some way off, according to Jerv

Brilliant news!

mfw

 Troike wrote:
All I'm saying is that I sympathised with the BT fans

Got no problem with that. I just think we need to check this idea that BT are facing the same issues as SoB because there are people ITT posting that GW is done with Sisters based on what's up with BT. It's a terrible argument and SoB fans should be very clear that the situations of SoB and BT are actually nothing alike.

 Manchu wrote:
Got no problem with that. I just think we need to check this idea that BT are facing the same issues as SoB because there are people ITT posting that GW is done with Sisters based on what's up with BT. It's a terrible argument and SoB fans should be very clear that the situations of SoB and BT are actually nothing alike.

Yes, I agree. And that's pretty much what I sad earlier. Templars are a subset of the Marines, so combining them with the vanilla codex works. The Sisters meanwhile are not a subset of anything, bar the Ecclesiarchy.

Actually, we disagree there as well

Well, only kinda ... I sympathize with BT fans, not because of anything to do with SoB, but because BT are more divergent than either the DA or BA as far as I can tell. At the very least, BA are much more amendable to being folded into the SM dex than BT.

But yeah, you're right, it's not like BT -- if they did get a separate book -- would not benefit from other SM releases. So in that respect, yep they'll do fine in the SM dex with the possible exception of losing some SCs, which would be very lame.

And yes, I completely agree with you, since there has never been a such thing as Codex: Ecclesiarchy, there is no book to appropriately fold Sisters "back" into. This is an important point because folks are often confused by their inclusion in Witch Hunters. Unlike the Death Watch and Grey Knights, the SoB as an institution is autonomous from the Inquisition. Even the treaty by which sisters under arms are subject to Ordo Hereticus as its Chamber Militant does not appear to provide any greater right than the Inquisition as a whole has to every Imperial formation.

(meant to post this before, but accidentally pasted the subfaction bit twice)

 Manchu wrote:
The word is that these models will be 28mm rather than 54mm. So if there is a Sister in it ... well, like I said, a nice taste of things to come.

According to a faeit rumour, the new minis for it will be based on Blanache artwork. As long as we don't get a high heels Sister, I'll be very happy with such a model.

Troike wrote:

Desteele wrote:-Sisters of Battle are definitely in the works, but still some way off, according to Jerv

Brilliant news!
mfw

Spoiler:

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but ... isn't that what they have been saying for the past years? Even immediately after the WD 'dex ..
And I'd prefer to see an exact quote rather than a summary written from memory.

I armour myself with the shield of pessimism, lest I risk disappointment!

Troike wrote:According to a faeit rumour, the new minis for it will be based on Blanache artwork. As long as we don't get a high heels Sister, I'll be very happy with such a model.

And what is the exact source for that rumour? I certainly hope this is just hot air like the stuff they posted about someone having seen the first plastic SoB years ago during a visit.

The only thing separating Blanche's artwork from SoB as they are now is tighter armour and heels. Neither is something I'd like to see on any new minis.

I'd say Uderzo would be a far better inspiration.

I'm not certain that John Blance has ever painted a woman *not* wearing heels. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love the guy's work, but I will readily recognize that he has certain themes and motifs that run throughout.

Has he ever painted a man not wearing heels?

Lots, actually, that was just the first one I found. I don't consider the cowboy-style heeled boots to be "heels", as even most forms of modern combat boots have a low heel like that.

 Lynata wrote:
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but ... isn't that what they have been saying for the past years? Even immediately after the WD 'dex ..

I think it's a positive thing that they're still saying it outright. Again, much speedier release cycle now. Even if we're the very last in line, we'll see the fate of our army sooner than we would have with the old release schedule.

 Lynata wrote:
And what is the exact source for that rumour?

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/inquisition-gws-entry-into-skirmish.html

Guy called TastyTaste. Yeah, it's just a rumour, so it's not necessarily true. Even then, "based on" doesn't necessarily mean "will be copied exactly".

 Lynata wrote:
I'd say Uderzo would be a far better inspiration.

Spoiler:

Oh Emperor yes. Love her Celestians.

Troike wrote:I think it's a positive thing that they're still saying it outright. Again, much speedier release cycle now. Even if we're the very last in line, we'll see the fate of our army sooner than we would have with the old release schedule.

Assuming that GW actually plans anything SoB-related for 6th Edition. They (wisely) did not give a date or made any promises, so it's really just what we kept hearing all along.

I want to believe (insert cliché poster here), but I won't get my hopes up that easily - just like I won't join in the doom- & gloomsaying.

Psienesis wrote:I don't consider the cowboy-style heeled boots to be "heels", as even most forms of modern combat boots have a low heel like that.

I suppose I could file those under platform soles.