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All models are considered to be units. Fortunately the rule is pretty cut and dry and says 1 Cano Spyder. Sure, a unit can even be a singular model. In this case it clearly implies a unit consisting of 1 Cano Spyders.

I'm all for it Col, but multi to get this across again? Bah.

 Massaen wrote:
Like I said elsewhere - reading the way Col Impact is - I can run a dark artisan with 3 talos, 3 chronos and 1 haemy as a single unit!

Happy days! *sarcasm*

Yeah, and I actually had a look at that Formation, and i don't think there's anything wrong in RaW for it. As for when it says "The Talos and Chronos of this Formation get +1WS" or something similar, it would be written the same way whether you had 1 or 5 Talos...

I'm leaning some more on the "the Canoptek Spyders unit can take more Canoptek Spyder models." side of things, but remain undecided...
I quoted BlackSwanDelta's very nice explanation of thing above, and i'd recommend a read.


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 Whacked wrote:
but multi to get this across again? Bah.

Baseless assumptions?

 Massaen wrote:
Like I said elsewhere - reading the way Col Impact is - I can run a dark artisan with 3 talos, 3 chronos and 1 haemy as a single unit!

Happy days! *sarcasm*

Feel free to open up a separate thread to discuss Dark Artisan. The situation is entirely different because of the rules of that specific formation. The "follow me my children rule" defines a specific unit of 1 talos, 1 cronos, and 1 haemonculus. So knock yourself out and discuss it in another thread. Whatever you find won't apply here.

That is why we stick to discussing the Canoptek Harvest formation and the Necron codex in this thread.


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 Whacked wrote:
All models are considered to be units. Fortunately the rule is pretty cut and dry and says 1 Cano Spyder. Sure, a unit can even be a singular model. In this case it clearly implies a unit consisting of 1 Cano Spyders.

I'm all for it Col, but multi to get this across again? Bah.

Keep in mind there is nothing - no rule - restricting the size of the unit of 1 canoptek spyder. So RAW you invoke the option to add more spyders to the unit.

Col, can you post the wording on adaptive subroutines? I don't have my codex available to me at the moment, even if you just PM it to me.

And like I said, I would love to play it this way but currently the ruleset "we" (my lgs) play under only allows for one.

col_impact - if you take a Harvest consisting of the following (after upgrades/options):
1 unit of 3 Canoptek Spyders
1 unit of 6 Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of 9 Canoptek Scarabs

Did you take the following:
1 Canoptek Spyder
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

or did you take the following:
3 Canoptek Spyders
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

col_impact wrote:
The "follow me my children rule" defines a specific unit of 1 talos, 1 cronos, and 1 haemonculus.

It does not actually, it says: "All units in this formation must be fielded as a single unit, ..."

Same as for the Spyder: When the Formation lists "1 Talos", it is still "A Unit of 1 Talos". If you can upgrade the Spyder Unit, i do not see why the Talos Unit cannot be upgraded, before you follow the "follow me, my children rule". Which is still completely fine by RaW.
As is "Master of Diabolical Machines".

 Frozocrone wrote:
The moment you have two Spyders, the unit composition changes, which breaks the formation rules

Feel free to quote rules which clarify how requirements for formations are actually met. You are making up rules which say the formation breaks when I add 2 additional spyders to the unit of 1 spyder.

There are no restrictions on the unit size of the unit of 1 canoptek spyder. If there were any restrictions they would be featured in the restriction box. Why do you insist on making up restrictions where there are none?

So... this doesn't appear to be going anywhere productive.

Both sides of this one have well and truly made their point. If in doubt, discuss with your opponent.