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 Grimtuff wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:


InB4, "Something something something, but they're not Space Marines so they don't my aesthetic, something something something..."

Go look at what I posted. That has nothing to do with this discussion.

I wasn't referring to you. If you've been on Dakka long enough you'll know exactly which individual(s) that comment is directed at.

hey, that's my line!!!

what is wrong with wanting the GW Space Marine aesthetic???
is it any less valid than wanting the GW aesthetic for the Eldar, Dark Eldar, or any thing else that Jes Goodwin has had a hand in designing the look of???

if you are going to direct a dismissive comment at someone in particular concerning their preferences, you should at least have the courage of your convictions, and call them out specifically...

cheers
jah

 Grimtuff wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:


InB4, "Something something something, but they're not Space Marines so they don't my aesthetic, something something something..."

Go look at what I posted. That has nothing to do with this discussion.

I wasn't referring to you. If you've been on Dakka long enough you'll know exactly which individual(s) that comment is directed at.

Oh. Well then. Carry on!

Love to the family!

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I wouldn't call watching films a hobby, it's an entertainment or a pastime.

If you seriously watch a lot of films and write criticism of them, perhaps it's becoming a hobby.

If you make films it definitely becomes a hobby.

While I agree with you, films (television, movies, etc.) compete for the same dollars for a lot of people. For people with budgetary constraints, it's a movie on Friday or a box of models.

 Peregrine wrote:

Trasvi wrote:
But the same people find Malifaux prices to be reasonable when 40k isn't. They might not understand my hobby, but they appreciate that it might cost some amount of money, and Malifaux fits in the reasonable range.

Like people here are talking about aircraft rental and scuba diving fees. I've never done those hobbies; I probably can't make a reasonable and informed decision about the prices. The amounts sound large to me, but they don't seem unreasonable for what you're getting if that's what you want to do. With a bit of thinking you can see where the money is going. Conversely, for GW products the amounts charged don't seem to have any basis in reality, and both wargamers and non-wargamers get that feel.

On the other hand I've had non-gamers make similar "it's so expensive for a silly toy" arguments about X-Wing, a game which is significantly cheaper than GW games. I don't think opinions of outsiders with no real knowledge of the hobby count for very much.

Of course their opinion is important! The 'outsiders with no real knowledge' are the new incoming customers. If they feel turned off by the price, GW loses a potential customer. The game and price point has to make sense to a larger number of new people than it currently does.

Trasvi wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

Trasvi wrote:
But the same people find Malifaux prices to be reasonable when 40k isn't. They might not understand my hobby, but they appreciate that it might cost some amount of money, and Malifaux fits in the reasonable range.

Like people here are talking about aircraft rental and scuba diving fees. I've never done those hobbies; I probably can't make a reasonable and informed decision about the prices. The amounts sound large to me, but they don't seem unreasonable for what you're getting if that's what you want to do. With a bit of thinking you can see where the money is going. Conversely, for GW products the amounts charged don't seem to have any basis in reality, and both wargamers and non-wargamers get that feel.

On the other hand I've had non-gamers make similar "it's so expensive for a silly toy" arguments about X-Wing, a game which is significantly cheaper than GW games. I don't think opinions of outsiders with no real knowledge of the hobby count for very much.

Of course their opinion is important! The 'outsiders with no real knowledge' are the new incoming customers. If they feel turned off by the price, GW loses a potential customer. The game and price point has to make sense to a larger number of new people than it currently does.

That...is an incredibly interesting way to look at it

Trasvi wrote:
Of course their opinion is important! The 'outsiders with no real knowledge' are the new incoming customers. If they feel turned off by the price, GW loses a potential customer. The game and price point has to make sense to a larger number of new people than it currently does.

Of course, price matters; at some point, even real fans can't afford product, and that excludes customers. And when selecting a new hobby, the general price range (or perceived spend) does matter. But I think there is a legitimate debate to be had about whether, if price were removed as a primary barrier (for instance, if the prices were 1990 prices adjusted for inflation), whether the number of young hobbyists (wargamers and modelers) would dramatically increase.

I'm not so sure. There's a lot of other things to occupy their time, and I really haven't met that many young people who are interested in building a model, regardless of price. They'd just rather play CoD, WoW, Neverwinter, Marvel Heroes, etc. In the hobby/gaming shop side of things, more MtG and Yu-Gi-Oh than anything. At a very minimum, compared to 1990, there are more things that someone who is 10-16 can choose to occupy their time with today.