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 Galas wrote:
The best part about tournament results is to see arm-chair generals try to do mental gimnastics to prove their points and narrative, normally reaching totally opposite conclusions from the same data. Its hilarious.

I don't really know tournament scoring 40k, how 'narrow' the gap between top 8 and say top 32, as in X-Wing or MTG tiny variations in whatever tiebreaker used can cost a fair few places in final standings, so should we be looking at a bigger range rather than top 8 ?

but there is no way to see lists, in my phone bcp wont work, someone knows Brad chester army list?

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

 Galas wrote:
The best part about tournament results is to see arm-chair generals try to do mental gimnastics to prove their points and narrative, normally reaching totally opposite conclusions from the same data. Its hilarious.

I don't really know tournament scoring 40k, how 'narrow' the gap between top 8 and say top 32, as in X-Wing or MTG tiny variations in whatever tiebreaker used can cost a fair few places in final standings, so should we be looking at a bigger range rather than top 8 ?

As others have said, in a 500 tournament were even the last placed is gonna have a good list, we should be looking at top 100 or 150.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

Look how many Space Marine lists are in the Top 8, nobody crying there.

I mean, at least look at the lists before making weird statements like this. You hurt your own argument with ignorance lad.

Does the army include a detachment of Adeptus astartes? Then its Space Marines as that is literally the same name. And drop the crap at the end of your post, its childish.

 bullyboy wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

Look how many Space Marine lists are in the Top 8, nobody crying there.

I mean, at least look at the lists before making weird statements like this. You hurt your own argument with ignorance lad.

Does the army include a detachment of Adeptus astartes? Then its Space Marines

If you're desperately, frantically trying to fit a narrative, maybe. By any form of logical categorization though that's not true. A list that's 1/3rd Space Wolves 1/3rd Guard and 1/3rd assassins is not a "Space Marines list" to anyone with intellectual honesty. Similarly a list that's 50% guard and 50% marines is a Guard list as much as it is a Marine list.

And drop the crap at the end of your post, its childish.

Chill.

Wow I feel so bad for Alex what happened in his semi final. :’(

 Primark G wrote:
Wow I feel so bad for Alex what happened in his semi final. :’(

Wasn't a great advertisement for tournaments, was it?

 Thud wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
Wow I feel so bad for Alex what happened in his semi final. :’(

Wasn't a great advertisement for tournaments, was it?

What happened?

 Thud wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
Wow I feel so bad for Alex what happened in his semi final. :’(

Wasn't a great advertisement for tournaments, was it?

Not a good look at all.

 Thud wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
Wow I feel so bad for Alex what happened in his semi final. :’(

Wasn't a great advertisement for tournaments, was it?

Its hard to argue with players who don't go to tournaments "because they are all WAAC dicks" when this is the side of the scene that gets shown to the world.

Yea that IMO was some serious sleeze.

Can someone explain what happened for those of us who missed the game?

 Primark G wrote:
Wow I feel so bad for Alex what happened in his semi final. :’(

What happened?

LOL. Mark Merril, aka Tryndamere, aka co-founder of Riot Games and League of Legends has twitted about this
https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/957735738501558272

https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/957743092660027392

The Imperium player Alex started his 2nd turn move phase, moved a few units, then started placing his assassins which were in reserve and arrive at the end of the movement phase. He still had units left to move when doing so. After he had placed his assassins and then attempted to move the remaining units, Tony (Ynnari/Alaitoc player) called him on it and told him he could no longer move units since he placed his assassins, signaling the end of the phase.

Apparently there was more contention from viewers because both players agreed to play based on intent at the start of the game. I didn't see that part, so can't comment on whether it happened.

Edit: Tony was also called out as slow playing by viewers, the game ended at turn 2. I don't know the time of each player turn, so can't comment on slow play on either player, but the game was obviously moving slowly.

Additional edit: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/223317017 time stamp is around 4:57:03. Alex moved a wolf lord in his lower left, then proceeded to mark drop points. About a minute after places reserve models, and Tony calls out 'that's the end of the movement phase, dropping guys in' as Alex attempts to move the rest of his units at 5:00:44.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
Wow I feel so bad for Alex what happened in his semi final. :’(

What happened?

It had been a relatively slow game, Tony just had seen his chances of winning die with some good rolling by Alex, and then Alex deepstrikes his units and then starts to move his units, you know like it always has been for 7 editions, to speed things up. Well Tony says sorry you cant move because you have already deepstruck. Instead of being an adult and a sportsman, Tony G was adamant about not letting alex redo his turn order (honest mistake) and Alex could not recover.

What happened to sportsmanship in this game? If I were the LVO organizers I would let Tony G keep playing, but disqualify him from the prize due to poor poor poor Sportsmanship.

Glad I dont goto these things


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Mchaagen wrote:
The Imperium player Alex started his 2nd turn move phase, moved a few units, then started placing his assassins which were in reserve and arrive at the end of the movement phase. He still had units left to move when doing so. After he had placed his assassins and then attempted to move the remaining units, Tony (Ynnari/Alaitoc player) called him on it and told him he could no longer move units since he placed his assassins, signaling the end of the phase.

Apparently there was more contention from viewers because both players agreed to play based on intent at the start of the game. I didn't see that part, so can't comment on whether it happened.

Tony and Alex agreed at the start instead of measuring out charges etc etc, that the opposing player would tell him what they needed so there would be no contention. All is fair though when 5k on the line though amirite?


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 Galas wrote:
LOL. Mark Merril, aka Tryndamere, aka co-founder of Riot Games and League of Legends has twitted about this
https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/957735738501558272

https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/957743092660027392

That is pretty epic!

The same Mark Merril that bought that Space Marine MLP army for 2.000 dollars

Douchebaggery at the top tables? How unsurprising... Especially from the names we typically see at them. Doesn't surprise me one bit. Having played against both, seems completely believable. If there's one guy I'd always root for, it is Alex. True gentleman. I would always give that man the benefit of the doubt. I guess greed and pride trumps friendship in some people's minds

Any news about the AoS event?

It was really rough watching that game, even before the deep strike incident. Through Tony's entire turn, for nearly every unit, he would say things like, "Well, the unit could do this...or I like it because it can do other thing...maybe it could do another thing." Over and over and over. Even if it was unintentional, it was insufferable.

There were alot of diverse list, but kinda sad that Dark Reapers had to ruin abit of the fun.

Tony vs Alex was just painful, and really make the game look terrible.

 blackmage wrote:
but there is no way to see lists, in my phone bcp wont work, someone knows Brad chester army list?

Karma.

xxhikaru123 wrote:
There were alot of diverse list, but kinda sad that Dark Reapers had to ruin abit of the fun.

Tony vs Alex was just painful, and really make the game look terrible.

The funny thing? Tony tried in the finals to use a Stratagem after advancing, but you should used it before advancing, so his opponent didn't allow him to do that.

 Galas wrote:

xxhikaru123 wrote:
There were alot of diverse list, but kinda sad that Dark Reapers had to ruin abit of the fun.

Tony vs Alex was just painful, and really make the game look terrible.

The funny thing? Tony tried in the finals to use a Stratagem after advancing, but you should used it before advancing, so his opponent didn't allow him to do that.

He then threw a hissy fit and ended with "I would have done the same thing".
Karma's a bitch.

Annnd here is karma getting him:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SuaveGleamingSpiderWOOP

I couldn't help but notice something. These guys are at one of the biggest events of the year and they're playing with unpainted models....

They are said to be painted, but the colors are light and the lighting poor so the camera doesn't pick it up well.

More concerned about the sportsmanship on display

Those last two games pretty much just reinforced my opinion that 40k is best played casually with friends.

ryzouken wrote:
They are said to be painted, but the colors are light and the lighting poor so the camera doesn't pick it up well.

More concerned about the sportsmanship on display

I see, thanks for the clarification.