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I feel like 9th needs to limit ur kill objectives, its too easy playing an army like guard to just take the simple, assassinate, thin their ranks, and bring it down. All you need to do then is play naturally, ie kill stuff, like wtf?!

bat702 wrote:
I feel like 9th needs to limit ur kill objectives, its too easy playing an army like guard to just take the simple, assassinate, thin their ranks, and bring it down. All you need to do then is play naturally, ie kill stuff, like wtf?!

You can't select both Bring it Down and Assassinate.

Also if you’re killing but they’re holding they win. Of course the idea of guard holding objectives is pretty far out there against most armies, but playing tdm is a good way to lose.

Spoletta wrote:

bat702 wrote:
I feel like 9th needs to limit ur kill objectives, its too easy playing an army like guard to just take the simple, assassinate, thin their ranks, and bring it down. All you need to do then is play naturally, ie kill stuff, like wtf?!

You can't select both Bring it Down and Assassinate.

thank you, somehow I didnt know that, but still thin-their ranks and either can be pretty brutal

bat702 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

bat702 wrote:
I feel like 9th needs to limit ur kill objectives, its too easy playing an army like guard to just take the simple, assassinate, thin their ranks, and bring it down. All you need to do then is play naturally, ie kill stuff, like wtf?!

You can't select both Bring it Down and Assassinate.

thank you, somehow I didnt know that, but still thin-their ranks and either can be pretty brutal

Given the maximum score is 100VP for a game 90 which are in game scored 45 primary and 45 secondary the most you can currently score for killing objectives is 45 and even then I'd doubt that's even possible against any army after the last FAQ to the mission scoring.

The problem 9th has isnt with kill objectives is that I honestly think alot of people really arnt actually putting enough brain power into how the missions and secondary scoring works.
Most competitive games I have been able to see streamed were picking maybe 1 kill secondary and the winner is avaraging 70+ point's out of the 90 so they are not winning on busted kill secondarys.

If anything it's the lack of an anti marine kill secondary that is screwing a number of factions hard.

Yeah, because all GK players need is to have three kill secondaries that can be stacked up on each other to make the game as enjoyable as 8th ed was.

My top 5 problems with 9th so far:

1. It was released during a global pandemic.
2. GW doubled down on the Space Marine content. We're several months into this and there's still new releases for Marines coming out! Good if you play marines, bad if you are a loyal customer collecting another army.
3. Secondaries are broken for certain armies, and heavily penalise some for their only feasible playstyles.
4. They amended certain weapons like melta but didn't amend their Xenos equivalents in line.
5. They released probably the single worst app that you pay for and is worse than the free ones! (I know this is a GW thing opposed to a 9th thing but I consider anything GW does during an edition, to be an "edition thing"

Since we are talking about secondaries...

The reason you take kill secondaries is because you can achieve them. If I am going to do something that removes my lethality against my opponent. It better give me more points than slaying my opponents units! Because slaying my opponents units removes his points...makes scoring primary a lot easier and yada yada yada.

The reward needs to be much higher.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Since we are talking about secondaries...

The reason you take kill secondaries is because you can achieve them. If I am going to do something that removes my lethality against my opponent. It better give me more points than slaying my opponents units! Because slaying my opponents units removes his points...makes scoring primary a lot easier and yada yada yada.

The reward needs to be much higher.

So your saying anyone playing into Codex marines is getting screwed then as they don't have a maximisable kill secondary to be scored against marines.


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Karol wrote:
Yeah, because all GK players need is to have three kill secondaries that can be stacked up on each other to make the game as enjoyable as 8th ed was.

You can't give up 45 VP to kill secondarys in 1 2k list Karol stop being sensationalist.
You can argue that being hit by 2 kill secondarys isn't fair but funnily enough that has been a thing for Guard since the drop of 9th till the FAQ and they didn't complain half as hard as GK players while TS player's get hit by the same secondarys as GK and yet do they keep screaming anything that address the imbalance of Elite armies (Marines) being excluded and every other faction having a kill secondary NO.

Sumilidon wrote:

2. GW doubled down on the Space Marine content. We're several months into this and there's still new releases for Marines coming out! Good if you play marines, bad if you are a loyal customer collecting another army.

We were supposed to be getting 2 new Codices per month but due to the ongoing pandemic that's been cut back to 1 per month. We were supposed to be done with Marines in January and have Dark Eldar out by now.

Ice_can wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Since we are talking about secondaries...

The reason you take kill secondaries is because you can achieve them. If I am going to do something that removes my lethality against my opponent. It better give me more points than slaying my opponents units! Because slaying my opponents units removes his points...makes scoring primary a lot easier and yada yada yada.

The reward needs to be much higher.

So your saying anyone playing into Codex marines is getting screwed then as they don't have a maximisable kill secondary to be scored against marines.

Take kill more and assassinate and engage on all fronts (I think thats what I normally do) I don't remember exactly. Sometimes I will take the mission secondary too it all depends. In any case - if you are at an objective disadvantage. Just make your objective denying their objectives. A win is a win. This is another reason why tournament data is dumb. The way ranks are established is by points...not wins. My personal opinion is that if you are relying on the secondary's to win you have already lost. The way you win is by destroying your opponent. Which is another reason why kill secondaries will always be preferable if they are an option...and probably why they shouldn't exist.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Take kill more and assassinate and engage on all fronts (I think thats what I normally do) I don't remember exactly. Sometimes I will take the mission secondary too it all depends. In any case - if you are at an objective disadvantage. Just make your objective denying their objectives. A win is a win. This is another reason why tournament data is dumb. The way ranks are established is by points...not wins. My personal opinion is that if you are relying on the secondary's to win you have already lost. The way you win is by destroying your opponent. Which is another reason why kill secondaries will always be preferable if they are an option...and probably why they shouldn't exist.

It feels a bit like you're handicapping yourself if you aren't taking Oaths of Moment. I'm pretty sure the current meta for Space Marines is to take something like; Deploy Scramblers, Oaths of Moment, and then whichever Battlefield Supremacy option best fits the opponent's force.