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Cronch wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Nice try, but $500 would be the price for a basic battalion (3x troops) worth of boyz plus some primer, not a single other model included.

Comparing metal sisters to plastic orks isn't even in the ballpark of apples to oranges anymore...

Starting Orks is unreasonable already for a brand new player, making it more expensive won't change it much really. Like, if I were a brand new person, why would I ever go for the army that costs 2 or 3x more than say, marines of SoB or any other non-horde army? Horde armies from GW right now are inherently bad value for money.

True, I would not have started Orks in 8th edition if I didn't already have most of an army from 5th edition.
I have a full time job in IT and no family to support, and I still think that spending that much on toy soldiers is a bit insane.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Aren't the Nobz and Flash Gitz kits completely interchangeable?

 Crimson wrote:
That would have been far less awkward.

You think insta-invalidating every Marine army on the planet overnight would have been 'less awkward'.

Look, I know you love your Primaris Marines with every fibre of your body, but don't try to pretend that a wholesale replacement of all the Marines at the start of 8th would have been a big nothing for everyone. That would have been major. The biggest shakeup since AoS. Potentially bigger, even, given that Marines outsell everything else GW does.

I am talking about visual update. In this model Intercessors would have just been a new look of tacticals etc.

And with the orks no one has called for changing the rules so that the old models are no longer playable, merely updating the models to look better. Nothing would be 'invalidated' except if the player decides to replace their entire collection with the new models, but that would be a personal choice.


Many factions have very old and outdated basic troop kits, orks among them. I think that having the basic troops to be great looking is one of the most important factors for getting people to start an new army. If the models you need to build and paint the greatest amount look like crap, then a lot of people will not be interested.

How can a set be outdated if it share visuals with almost the entire army?

 Jidmah wrote:
How can a set be outdated if it share visuals with almost the entire army?

The visuals of most of the army are outdated. Same than with the IG.

 Crimson wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
How can a set be outdated if it share visuals with almost the entire army?

The visuals of most of the army are outdated. Same than with the IG.

Uh-huh. The last models release with those visuals are from 2014, which was the 7th edition big wave. I'd even argue some of the buggy crew does as well.

In other words, you simply don't like how orks look, and changing boyz won't change gak about that.

Cronch wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Nice try, but $500 would be the price for a basic battalion (3x troops) worth of boyz plus some primer, not a single other model included.

Comparing metal sisters to plastic orks isn't even in the ballpark of apples to oranges anymore...

Starting Orks is unreasonable already for a brand new player, making it more expensive won't change it much really. Like, if I were a brand new person, why would I ever go for the army that costs 2 or 3x more than say, marines of SoB or any other non-horde army? Horde armies from GW right now are inherently bad value for money.

Agree, horde armies are big problem in gw by now. In fact i only play and/or collect warband or sort of .

Anyway regarding ork models whatever will ever happen someone will be disappointed: me, being an ork lover since 2004, im in desperately need of some new ork infantry... i really dont understand people who are happy to stay with the same model after all this years but is totally fine everyone is different and have different need. But a change is inevitable, gw must sell and like others said they cannot sell things or models everyone had in BIG BIG quantity. Sooner or layer ork boyz must change, i hope soon lol .

Essentially this thread is full of people who don't like orks in the first place, don't play them, don't even know ork models in detail, but still want them to be changed to something different.
Meanwhile, all the people who do play orks and know the range well don't want any new boyz.

Which brings me back to my original post on this topic - only people who don't play orks and/or have no clue what they are talking about wish for new ork boyz.

 Jidmah wrote:
Essentially this thread is full of people who don't like orks in the first place, don't play them, don't even know ork models in detail, but still want them to be changed to something different.
Meanwhile, all the people who play orks and know the range well don't want any boyz.

Which brings me back to my original post on this topic - only people who don't play orks and/or have no clue what they are talking about wish for new ork boyz.

I have had every kit ever released and collect/convert/paint dont know ho many orks, 2 fulls army over the year, play and collect even now old gorkamorka. I like current ork but want some new anyway. In which category do you put me?

As others have said theres a ton of new units and kits GW could do for orks before redoing the basic ork boyz.

And one could wish that GW would go the AoS route and make a box of new ork boyz 20 models for 40-45€ but those prices don't fly for 40k.

 Crimson wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
How can a set be outdated if it share visuals with almost the entire army?

The visuals of most of the army are outdated. Same than with the IG.

You clearly have a problem with orks and IG visuals, that's fine. I think the worst ork model is 10000 times better than any primars model, but I acknowledge it's only my opinion.


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 Jidmah wrote:
Essentially this thread is full of people who don't like orks in the first place, don't play them, don't even know ork models in detail, but still want them to be changed to something different.
Meanwhile, all the people who do play orks and know the range well don't want any new boyz.

Which brings me back to my original post on this topic - only people who don't play orks and/or have no clue what they are talking about wish for new ork boyz.

Yeah mostly marine players who would like every other army to look like marine armies .

I just want burna boys and big choppas as special weapons options in boys mobz.

In order to move this debate elsewhere and leave this thread to actual news, I have created a thread (and a poll) here:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/796049.page

GW just released the OBR infantry at $60 per 20, so there's a slight chance of something like that being the way forward for horde armies. Not holding my breath, but there is a possibility. And that would be $12 cheaper than the current boyz kit, though might mean the loss of the "free" nob (a trade I would make, as the squat nob looks terrible in comparison to the freestanding kit). Even if it was $70 and we lost the mini-nob, that's still a pretty good deal by GW's standards for a new kit.

If they redid the sprue and kept the basic look, just updating things for ease of use and better plastic tech, I'd be happy. I'd probably get some just for variety or to splash out on some fancier mobs, even though there'd obviously be some visual shift (just between the sculptors, if nothing else). I'm probably good on the current kit, though, as I have a couple hundred of those boyz.

Legs+backs and swappable fronts would be nice compromise, as the ball joint rarely fits nicely and really doesn't give you much in the way of useful posing options that couldn't otherwise be achieved. I'd be fine with integrated shoulders, even at the cost of some compatibility, since I doubt it'd be too hard to snip some elbows/shoulders to get those spare burnas to fit. Full mono-pose would be a mistake, but that seems pretty unlikely.

Though I did convert a bunch of the 4th(?) ed whfb starter orcs (who were literally single pieces) into boyz, as it's really not hard to saw a straight line at the shoulder or do a weapon swap, so even that wouldn't be the end of the world.

What I'd be really afraid of was a loss of options. Boyz could really do with a few old options coming back (like the burna/bc).

Still, at the end of the day there are much more pressing needs in the ork lineup than boyz. Lets get the finecast and missing models updated first. Hopefully including a chinork, so I can use my various looted flyers again.

Sarouan wrote:
Remember when night goblins in WFB changed in size in comparison to the ugly Brian Nelson gorilla night goblins ? It was the same here with orks, people complained about how they invalidated their old collection. Because yes, they look awful put together in the same army.

The same appears with old sisters of battle mixed with the new (when you add the new Zephyrim, for example)...the difference is clear.

If you have a full collection of the old models and only use them, it's fine. It's when you mix them together in the same army that it doesn't look as good.

But personnally, I would still be glad to see an updated ork kit replacing these ugly Brian Nelson gorilla models finally.

Those Brian Nelson night goblins were SO much more characterful than the current night goblin kit, give me a break. The current night gobbo box sacrifices character for smaller size, and looks even more "samey" when you have a ton of them on the field. At least Nelson's night goblins had faces with great expressions.

Personally I hope we get updates. Worse case I buy more Kromlech bodies and bits and make Ork Boyz out of those if the GW Models are trash but I've liked every update I've seen so far, for orks anyway.

I'd love a proper tank, I have a gunwagon (and almost every model in the entire range too think of it, save some of the new buggies and two of the flyers.) but I wish they'd give us a proper tank or true rules for looted wagon that can be used in matched play. Then again, most of our range has some sort of answer for nearly anything, aside from rules adjustments to make things work. TBH a regular Kill Kannon should not be 24 inch range...

 Jidmah wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Aren't the Nobz and Flash Gitz kits completely interchangeable?

Due to the way ork arms are cut, nob wargear is interchangeable between almost all the nobz, including flash gits, warbiker and boyz squad leaders, the nob with warbanner as well as the old metal painboy (not sure about the new one).

A clever ork payer can buy a box of nobz and use the excess bits of the flash gits box to turn the combi-shootas in there into five additional flash gits.

Don't even need a Gitz kit, just raid the bitz box for parts to snazz up a kombi-shoota into something a self respecting Flash Git would throw a large sum of teef at. All of my "Gitz" are made from proper Nobz and its just about half the price to do so than with the Gitz kit.

That said one of the real strength of the Ork product line is how interchangeable all the models are with being able to build from a set of Boyz legs (the part you run out of the fastest) Tankbustas, Kommandos, Burna Boyz, Lootas, Meks, Stormboyz (not quite as cool as the proper kit) or regular/special weapon boyz while you can make Nobz (being legs + torso) into Gitz, Painboyz, Big Meks, or Nobz (including the squad leader nobz for all the boy based units). On top of that being able to use the weapons from either kit on Biker Boyz or with some of the extra Ork models found on vehicles.

GW's current focus on making these hard to kitbash sculpts could very well disrupt the flexibility and ability to kitbash which would be a grave disservice to customers if they took way that modularity in the same of "dynamic poses".