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Hekats.

They are fugly expensive to buy and frankly I loath them, they dont have the lines I like from larger Golgoths and if I take nice looking models like Tiamat I am left with plenty of LP burning that in all honesty ought to be spent spamming them. So even if I dont want the models in my collection I am crippling my play by not taking 'advantage' of the 'opportunity' to field them. Both terms being relative because I wouldnt want such an embarasing pile of poo dropped on my tabletop despite the usefulness.

Oh and before you ask I include Succubus Golgoths in this category too.

So I am looking for:

1. Excuses or reasons why I would not want to spend 4LP to get a free vehicle, which looks like a no brainer to me. I would like to see why this is even remotely balanced to while we are on this subject.

2. Hints as to what I can use instead as the base for a conversion. Avoiding Necron models as they are overly recognisable.

Anyone come accross this issue shares my feelings and has pointers for me?

Speed up Hekats up to 50cm and get them in close combat, quite nasty buggers.

With a bit of manipulation the Hekat can be removed from its base and all the three legs (arms) can be gently loosened to rotate, thus all its claws face forward. I then mounted one of the standard barricades on the base and pinned the Hekat to it. It now looks pretty mean and ready to fly over the wall to attack whatever poor fether is on the other side with its grim scythes pointed right at him. I don't know if that's any help to you, but personally I do like the hulking look it gave to the Heket. No pics, I'm afraid.

Of course if anything breaks while doing the alteration, it's nothing to do with me. *Walks away whistling innocently.....*

Orlanth wrote:Hekats.

They are fugly expensive to buy and frankly I loath them, they dont have the lines I like from larger Golgoths and if I take nice looking models like Tiamat I am left with plenty of LP burning that in all honesty ought to be spent spamming them. So even if I dont want the models in my collection I am crippling my play by not taking 'advantage' of the 'opportunity' to field them. Both terms being relative because I wouldnt want such an embarasing pile of poo dropped on my tabletop despite the usefulness.

Oh and before you ask I include Succubus Golgoths in this category too.

So I am looking for:

1. Excuses or reasons why I would not want to spend 4LP to get a free vehicle, which looks like a no brainer to me. I would like to see why this is even remotely balanced to while we are on this subject.

2. Hints as to what I can use instead as the base for a conversion. Avoiding Necron models as they are overly recognisable.

Anyone come accross this issue shares my feelings and has pointers for me?

There's pretty much no reason why you would not want a free Type 1 Combat Strider assuming you have the LP for it. You also get 1 LP the next round for the unit if it survives, and then another Strider THAT round, etc. For such an LP-dependent army as Therians, this is fantastic.

I would actually recommend purchasing a Succubus Golgoth as well because with the Creation routine you can spawn either of them - so you spawn whatever you need for the situation at hand, to supplement whatever kind of firepower you need at the moment.

Or, to force a choice between two sorts of units which now present a similar threat to your opponent.

You're never going to be able to spawn more than one Hekat or Succubus a turn, however. It used to be that Cypher Therian lists, where Overseers have access to both infantry and AFV routines, could spawn Hekats on themselves...then Rackham changed their mind because people complained, probably rightly, about Hekat spam and so decided that only Company Commanders could use the Creation routine at all as "Overseer routines only affect the Overseer's unit," and Hekats, not the Overseer, are "affected" by the Creation routine, even though the Hekat doesn't exist when the routine is run and thus cannot be affected.

*shrugs*

So, you're going to have to either take a Cypher list in which case your CC can spawn the Type 1 Strider on any Overseer on the table, or if it's the base list or any of the other two variants in the Therian Army Book your CC will only be able to spawn Type 1's on Overseers as the same type as the CC.

That needs fixing for a start. Generated walkers should not provide LP, then you would have a natural tactical limit on how many you can afford to make.

When you spawn this 'on an overseer' do you mean that a model in his unit is morphed into the Hekat?

Admittedly a table of which routine can be used when would have been better. But there are now some fanmade which are aknowledged by Rackham as being OK. But most of it can be deducted from reading the rules and a little bit of thinking.

Also Hekat swarming is not as much an issue as was it in the beginning. With the ABs not out then it seemed a little bit over the top. But just creating Hekat after Hekat will cost you needed LP and and provide the enmy with easy targets, since created Hekats can't join each other and become a unit. It´s the same with the ape fraction that counters enemy actions by spending LP. They can counter you, but they will run out of LP much earlier than any of their opponents.

With AT you have to see it within the context to really understand it.

And if Sentinels are complaining on inside forums than it is of minor issues we want to see resolved as fast as possible. There is definitly no major flaw that complain about. And I will admit it, sometimes we complain just because we want to have our POV validated. But that´s just the usual rules talk that every company has. I would be more alerted if there was no internal discussion abou how to improve the ruels even further, cause then tthe system really would be dead. A good rules system constantly evolves and tries to become even better.

And the "extra" LP generated from the "spawned" Hekat is required to activate it.

As for why wouldn't you use the "free" created Hekats? They die easily, and in some scenarios feed your opponent VPs.