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2009/05/16 08:11:22
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
Moscow Russia
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Or in any other way immune to instant death? I realize of course that he's got T:6 but there are many weopons (i.e. talassarian tempest blade,rod of torment) that cause instant death regardless of T, so would the avatar be effected by that?
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Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:
And what's the deal with all those rivets in people's armor? Is it like in the grim darkness of the far future there is no welding?
Nerf_IG wrote:
Every time my commander takes a wound I cut myself.
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2009/05/16 09:35:39
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Proud Phantom Titan
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Yep you use something that can cause instant death, you can kill him out right.
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2009/05/16 23:03:47
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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The Green Skin Fryer wrote:Or in any other way immune to instant death? I realize of course that he's got T:6 but there are many weopons (i.e. talassarian tempest blade,rod of torment) that cause instant death regardless of T, so would the avatar be effected by that?
Read the codex?
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2009/05/16 23:09:39
Subject: Re:Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
wakefield west yorkshire
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yep
he can be instant killed by all the usual funkiness (force weapons ,rod of torment ,slaanesh bliss giver daemon weapon etc etc)
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2009/05/17 01:11:37
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Maybe in the next edition Eternal Warrior will give a roll against Instant Death like Feel No Pain gives a roll against certain wounds.
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2009/05/18 17:10:03
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Waaaaaaagh! wrote:The Green Skin Fryer wrote:Or in any other way immune to instant death? I realize of course that he's got T:6 but there are many weopons (i.e. talassarian tempest blade,rod of torment) that cause instant death regardless of T, so would the avatar be effected by that?
Read the codex?
And... if that insightful little gem of wisdom doesn't help you...
As has been said... No Eternal Warrior. So, the trick is to keep your Avatar AWAY from those units that can Insta-kill it.
It's like Orks without a PK charging Dreads... You just don't do it. : )
Eric
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2009/05/18 20:42:26
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Somewhat ironic that a race chock full of psykers has a shard of god that is vulnerable to force weapons.
"We are masters of the Empyrean! Until it is wielded through a sword thingy by a Space Marine or something..."
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2009/05/18 22:47:39
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Horrific Howling Banshee
Neenah, Wisconsin
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Also ironic that the Avatar is a daemon in every respect EXCEPT having eternal warrior. All the bad, none of the good.
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2009/05/19 01:40:36
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Not that ironic. The Avatars are the shards of a God that were thrown out of heaven and came to rest in the wraithbone cores of the Craftworlds. Between drawing on the ever-lasting power of the Warp during a major warp incursion and drawing on the psychic resources of a dwindling race, I'd say that the rules well represent the Avatar's disadvantages compared to other Greater Daemons.
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2009/05/19 01:45:31
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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I would love to see the Avatar get eternal Warrior. Or, a rule that lets him ignore any weapons that did not need a 3+ to wound. It doesn't make sense that the Living Avatar of a God could theoretically be murdered by something as silly as a lasgun
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2009/05/19 02:04:44
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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The Hammer of Witches
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I kill the Avatar with spinegaunts, and I really see nothing silly about it.
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2009/05/19 02:07:07
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Proud Phantom Titan
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Waaaaaaagh! wrote:I would love to see the Avatar get eternal Warrior. Or, a rule that lets him ignore any weapons that did not need a 3+ to wound. It doesn't make sense that the Living Avatar of a God could theoretically be murdered by something as silly as a lasgun
I'm sure there's a data sheet knocking about for the forge world version. I think he counts as a bio-titan WS10 BS5 S8 T8 W6 I6 A2D6 Ld10 Sv2+ / 3+ inv and his melta attack was range 24" St10 AP1 Heavy 4D6, melta ... and he cost about 500pts
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2009/05/19 02:07:45
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Killer Klaivex
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I killed it with a Deffrolla. Whee.
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2009/05/19 13:52:04
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
Moscow Russia
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yeah, and what's up with C'Tan. I mean they're gods to right? and they can be killed by force weapons...
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Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:
And what's the deal with all those rivets in people's armor? Is it like in the grim darkness of the far future there is no welding?
Nerf_IG wrote:
Every time my commander takes a wound I cut myself.
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2009/05/19 14:00:45
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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The Green Skin Fryer wrote:yeah, and what's up with C'Tan. I mean they're gods to right? and they can be killed by force weapons...
Ctan and Avatar of Khaine are just that. Borrowed body /shell .
An exarch sacrified to hold Khaine , a necrodermis shell for Ctans.
The dread Avatars of Khaine are the mere splinters of the ancient war god that can be called upon by a sacrifice of an Exarch who is chosen to be the Young King who are then absorbed by the essence, thus becoming the Avatar of Khaine wielding the might of the War God himself.
During the War in Heaven, Khaine fought and defeated the Nightbringer, shattering his necrodermis, although the resulting metal shards pierced his flesh, tainting his form with 'the aspect of the Reaper'. It is also said that this event precipitated the eventual fall of the Eldar: The Nightbringer planted the fear of death within all mortal creatures except the Orks, which furthered their survivalist emotions. In the depths of the warp, beings created during the turmoil of the War in Heaven would feast on these feelings and grow to sentience, setting into motion a chain of events that would close the Path of Rebirth for Eldar souls forever.
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2009/05/19 14:17:18
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
Moscow Russia
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wow you really read into this! thx it make a lot more sense to me now, because before I was like "they're friggin GODS they shouldn't instantly die!"
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Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:
And what's the deal with all those rivets in people's armor? Is it like in the grim darkness of the far future there is no welding?
Nerf_IG wrote:
Every time my commander takes a wound I cut myself.
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2009/05/19 14:39:09
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot
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Welcome to the realm of dakka, a place where poeple have too much time on their hands and not enough work to do.
( was ment as comedy not as offence  )
@Lunahound
Never actually knew that, makes me want to get both Necron and Eldar codex's purely to read up on the backstory.
I once killed the Avatar with a scout ... ... he tripped over him and fell into a pond  water way to go ( couldn't resist)
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2009/05/19 14:42:24
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
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I am confused. I know that the Avatar can be instagibbed, but I thought that the C'tan had a special rule granting immunity to ID. Or, is it only specific ID weapons that C'tan are immune to?
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2009/05/19 18:16:18
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No, the C'tan do not. The Toughness characteristic of both C'tan is too high to let them be killed by Strength that is double that number, but nothing exempts them from other Instant Death causing rules.
Interesting note: Gift of Chaos does not cause Instant Death, and cannot be saved against because it causes no wounds...
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2009/05/20 13:08:45
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
Moscow Russia
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I hate gift of chaos (and boone of mutation) I think you should be able to at least take an inv. save!
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Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:
And what's the deal with all those rivets in people's armor? Is it like in the grim darkness of the far future there is no welding?
Nerf_IG wrote:
Every time my commander takes a wound I cut myself.
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2009/05/20 13:13:16
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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Avatar is not immune to ID.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/05/20 18:36:51
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
Moscow Russia
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Is there any way to shut down this forum, I'm pretty sure the answer is pretty clear now...
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Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:
And what's the deal with all those rivets in people's armor? Is it like in the grim darkness of the far future there is no welding?
Nerf_IG wrote:
Every time my commander takes a wound I cut myself.
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2009/05/20 18:41:38
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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MY RAVEN WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING...
Wait wrong forum...
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2009/05/20 18:46:04
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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The Green Skin Fryer wrote:wow you really read into this! thx it make a lot more sense to me now, because before I was like "they're friggin GODS they shouldn't instantly die!"
oh no, i just googled " GW Avatar" lol
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2009/05/20 19:55:21
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Horrific Howling Banshee
Neenah, Wisconsin
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See, I get the bit about the Avatar not being a "full up" version of Khaine, but then he should't have all the vulnerabilities either. If he is bound to a physical shell then things that banish daemons should't work on him.
Likewise the argument against eternal warrior fails a bit when other purely flesh and blood characters (looking at you Calgar) get it with no reason other than they want to make them more powerful.
When the Eldar codex came out it was fine. Very few things had eternal warrior (IIRC the Eldar Codex introduced the rule for the phoenix lords). Now they hand it out like candy. In that respect the Avatar has been left behind.
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2009/05/21 12:29:56
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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If memory serves the Ctan have a special rule against wraithcannons, where they arent removed from play (old version) and instead take a wound. This is possibly where people think they have ID immunity.
Against Khans blade (ID on a 6) they should still be ID'd, same for other instagib weapons....
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2009/05/21 12:32:49
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Its funny how everything that is worth Intant Deathing has Eternal Warrior now (Apart from Nob Bikers who Have 4+ Cover Instead  )
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2009/05/21 15:01:24
Subject: Is the Eldar Avatar an eternal warrior?
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
Moscow Russia
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I agree with Gwar on this one...
Really a lascannon blast should be a lascannon blast.
If it can take an LR it can take YOU!
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Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:
And what's the deal with all those rivets in people's armor? Is it like in the grim darkness of the far future there is no welding?
Nerf_IG wrote:
Every time my commander takes a wound I cut myself.
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