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C'tan special abilities require psychic test?


- So far i've been using them as 'special rules' with no test required but I wanted to be clear on that.

And also if i use the deceive ability on one unit to make them get pinned or take a morale check, does that count as 'shooting' at the unit.

Meaning can I make unit A that's 18" away but in line of sight take a pinning test and then assault unit B that's within my assault range?

- Again i've been using 'Deceive' as a special power and not counting it as an actual shooting attack even though im 'targetting' a unit during the shooting phase. So I just wanted to know if i'm using it legally.

Can you fire the Particle Whip from the monolith on the turn you deep strike it?

- Deep Striking counts as moving cruising speed but particle whip says you are always able to shoot it even if shaken/stunned. I know you can't shoot the gauss projectors but the particle whip seems fair game to me on the turn you deep strike.

Can C'tan be instant killed?

- The rules doesn't appear to give them instant death protection but i've seen a few necron players claim that they are immune which I don't understand where they get that from.

In the FAQ it points out that Res Orb compatibility is affected at the time the necron model is damaged. So for WBB purposes if in the shooting phase Unit A of necrons gets downed by enemy fire while Unit B is within 6" of it at the time this happens. They are eligible for WBB?

So what happens if during the assault phase Unit B gets assaulted and killed. Does unit A also get destroyed or does it get to make it's WBB at the start of the next turn?

- I've been assuming that it works similar to synapse where you check who's within 6" of a model of the same type to allow WBB. Or does this happen differently?

Ah almost forgot I was wondering about this one. According to the Particle Whip rule any model under the center of the blast marker is hit with AP 1. So does that include vehicles? Is the particle whip always S9 AP 1 against them? (assuming that the center didn't scatter off the vehicle's hull)

- I wasn't sure about this so I never called it an AP 1 shot, but it certainly would be useful to have an 'AP 1 lascannon' around for certain vehicles.

read your Codex. All of this is explained.

C'tan abilities simply happen, there is no psychic test. It never says it is a shooting attack, so technically you could assault something else.

A C'tan can be instant killed. it is only immune to the instant death inflicted by a wraith cannon.

WBB is confusing, but here is the bottom line. When you go to roll for WBB at the start of your turn, check and see who is in range, and if there are freindly models within 6. If there are, they roll for it. If not, then dont.

As for the particle whip, yes. This counts on vehicles. again, it says ANY model under the hole is hit with an AP1 hit.

Who says I haven't read the codex?

I was under the impression that my questions weren't simple answers.

Given by the fact that I posted this same thread in other forums and have received a difference response.

Obviously the rules arent as 'clear cut' as you'd think even after reading the codex several times (which i've done).

On the other hand thanks for at least bothering to answer. It is appreciated.

The main debate is with the C'tan power being or not being a shooting attack or counting as one.

Technically the deceiver's abilities are not a shooting attack. There is no rolling to hit, and it never says it is. It is merely a power used in the shooting phase. However, its tricky ground that I feel like some people would argue with you about if you treated it that way. But based off of rules as written, it is not a shooting attack.