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Currently in my Iron Warrior 2k list I have two land raiders, each transports a unit of 4 chaos terminators and a daemon prince hides behind each land raider.

In a game against imperial raiders I actually noticed how poor the chaos raiders are. The chaos land raiders can only be one or the other, a static fire bunker or a transport. Unlike the imperial ones it cannot split fire so its heavy bolter is often wasted depending on what your shooting at, or the lascannons over kill. If it moves it cannot fire has limited fire. With it being a main transport unit and being really tough it can luckily hold out, but it still needs some mobile fire power. To trade shots with the imperial ones my chaos one basically had to hold ground or stand there and take it, both got immobilised by the imperial counter parts.

So I've now changed my mind about them which is typical considering the lengths and urgency I went to buy them lol. I just don't see a massive benefit of them now besides dropping of the cargo which are 120 points (a 230 point transport for a 120 point unit is a lot!) and then go tank hunting. If they had split fire and could fire on the move like imperial ones they would be ace.

So if I drop the two chaos raiders I have 460 points free (if I've got the points correct). I could drop in another chaos marine unit (I currently use 3 in my list along with two defilers) though I need anti tank so I think a unit of 3 obliterators would be nice and fit the Iron Warriors background. I could also you the spare points to buy a third terminator unit (I run two units of four) and make them all five man strong and tool them up. I could also tool up both princes as they have mark of tzeentch (purely for game play) and I could take two psychic powers.

So my question is, what would you do? Lump it with the raiders and get a few more games in with them or ditch them and get some better units. Current list is in case any one is wondering:

1 x Daemon Prince

1 x Daemon Prince

4 x Terminators w/ Land Raider

4 x Terminators w/ Land Raider

10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino

10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino

10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino

1 x Defiler

1 x Defiler

As you pointed out, Chaos Land Raiders are not that good at shooting. So in that case, do not use them to shoot. Fill them with Berzerkers and screen princes with them. This works really well. Once you have dropped off your cargo, use them to tank shock/Ram things and continue to make walls. If they are used this way, they are really good.

I fill them with terminators and screen princes with them. Its just the entire land raider isn't that good no matter its cargo.

I'd bring another two squads of basic marines in rhinos! Best bang for your buck you can get.

Khornate Terms w/ Lightning Claws and a Khornate Lord with Lightning Claws out of a LR backed up by a Lash Prince/Sorc is a bloodbath waiting to happen. Once it disembarks the terminators, the LR can be a fire support bunker, wall, or pick them up to lather, rinse, and repeat.

Yeah it's not as good as the loyalist version, but it's alot cheaper.

I usually never have good results with my LR unless Zerkers are in them. CSM Termies are usually better off DP in with combi spam. Sadly I have to agree with everyone else CSM LR are pretty much 250 point Zerker Delivery system. If you are luck and it lives after dropping the zerkers then just sit tight and start shooting.

12thRonin wrote:Khornate Terms w/ Lightning Claws and a Khornate Lord with Lightning Claws out of a LR backed up by a Lash Prince/Sorc is a bloodbath waiting to happen. Once it disembarks the terminators, the LR can be a fire support bunker, wall, or pick them up to lather, rinse, and repeat.

Yeah it's not as good as the loyalist version, but it's alot cheaper.

It's actually not really either...

The Chaos Land Raider only holds 5 termies, so you get a lord and 4 khorne termies, for about the same price as a Loyalist Land Raider that can hold 6 (5 man squad and a character).

It's actually not really either...

The Chaos Land Raider only holds 5 termies, so you get a lord and 4 khorne termies, for about the same price as a Loyalist Land Raider that can hold 6 (5 man squad and a character).

All the more reason to not fill it with terminators. Yes terminators hit hard, but its only five of them hopping out to go kill stuff. They can gt bogged down, and if you lose some early on, the squad's power is significantly reduced. This is why I say the way to go is fill it with berzerkers. However, if you are still convinced that a Chaos LR rush is not the way to go, then take something else. But a 220 point AV 14 wall is very nice no matter how you look at it.

10 Noisemarines in a landraider that dump out, double-tap sonic blasters, then charge also put a world of hurt, especially if there's a doomsiren on the champion. And you'll still be I5 for the enemy's countercharge, too.

Chaos land raider = assault delivery system. Most commonly used with bezerkers. Your own observations about the use of 2 in your army are right on the money. One with terminators should be sufficient, giving you extra points for some oblits. You could them either keep the 2nd termi squad and deep strike them as fire support of replace them with chosen w/ icon to use as a sort of "homing beacon" for your oblits.

I think I'm gonna get another unit of terminators and 3 oblits. Should be better me thinks.

Spellbound wrote:10 Noisemarines in a landraider that dump out, double-tap sonic blasters, then charge also put a world of hurt, especially if there's a doomsiren on the champion. And you'll still be I5 for the enemy's countercharge, too.

But that squad is significantly more expensive than 10 berzerkers and a powerfist champ, and you run the risk of shooting yourself out of assault.

The odd landraider here and there really dont add much to your army. It is extremely expensive for what will be used mostly as a transport and there are much better options for adding firepower to your army. Really the only way to use them in chaos armies is to have lots of them. If you have 5 or 6 with havoc launchers then they have enough focused firepower to be able to deal with most units while being very difficult to kill. Other than that there are better things to have in your army.

They do not fit in every list, but in some builds they are invaluable.