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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/19 15:52:54
Subject: New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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HQ:
Company Command Squad: 215
Medipack, Vox, 2x Melta Gun, Carapace Armor, Astropath, Master of the Fleet, 2x Bodyguards
Elite:
Storm Trooper Squad: 105
Airbourne Assault, 2x Melta Gun
Storm Trooper Squad: 105
Airbourne Assault, 2x Melta Gun
Storm Trooper Squad: 105
Airbourne Assault, 2x Melta Gun
Troops:
Vet Squad: 145
Vox, 2x Melta Gun, Heavy Flamer, Demolitions
Vet Squad: 145
Vox, 2x Melta Gun, Heavy Flamer, Demolitions
Vet Squad: 145
Vox, 2x Melta Gun, Heavy Flamer, Demolitions
Vet Squad: 145
Vox, 2x Melta Gun, Heavy Flamer, Demolitions
Fast Attack:
Valkyrie Assault Carrier Squadron: 230
2x Valkyrie, 1x Multiple Rocket Pod
Valkyrie Assault Carrier Squadron: 230
2x Valkyrie, 1x Multiple Rocket Pod
Vendetta Assault Carrier Squadron: 280
2x Vendetta, 2x Heavy Bolter Sponsons
total: 1850
Everything outflanks, Vet squads in the Valks. CCS in the vendettas. I really kind of don't like my CCS they feel useless for some reason. I feel that I have a good mix of AT and anit horde.Any critisism would be greatly appreciated. Is this list competative or a one trick pony?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/19 16:04:49
Subject: New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Stoic Grail Knight
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I personally like it. I dont like voxs IMO why the company command Do you have to take one even with vets.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/19 19:46:39
Subject: Re:New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I don't have to have a CCS but I want at least one fore a few orders. I changed the list around a bit to make it more balanced added MRP to a valk in each squad and HB sponsons on the vendetta's since they'll just be firing platforms anyhow. Vox's are so my squads dont just break and run once they deploy but odds are they're meat if they're getting shot at anyhow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/19 20:57:40
Subject: Re:New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
Dallas, Texas
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Will adding voxes even help if your CCS is out of the way? They have a limited order radius, or do the voxes circumvent that?
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When is deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/19 21:00:55
Subject: Re:New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Wraith
O H I am in the Webway...
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I don't know about all of those demolitions. Some bad scatters and you could end up hurting yourself more than them.
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He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster and if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/20 00:00:13
Subject: Re:New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Yeah I guess I can scrap the voxes and change 2 of the vet squads to grenadiers... now I have 25 spare points. I thought vox allowed you to reroll leadership tests, I read the codex and was wrong. So what to do with 25 points?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/20 00:07:14
Subject: Re:New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
Dallas, Texas
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They DO let you reroll leadership tests. I'm thinking on terms of orders, sorry >.< I'm sure they'll attack your Valks before your squads. Those missile pods are killer for horde armies. Can several Valks/Vendettas fire at once, anyhow?
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When is deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
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And wave your hands and shout. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/20 15:59:49
Subject: New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Three problems,
Your vets are not focused, they are all Jack of All Trade vets and those will always dissapoint, they are below average at everything.
2 meltas is not enough to reliably hunt armor, 1 heavy flamer is not enought to reliably handle large hordes and the demo charge is not enough to reliably handle heavy infantry.
Focus your vet units and they will do much better. You have 6 transport slots, so go with 2 pure melta CCS, 3 pure melta vets, 3 plasma Heavy flamer demo vets.
The plasma HF,Demo vets are sick against both heavy and light infantry. The melta vets are cheap and rock against armor and are ok against small units of elite infantry. The Melta CCS are the best armor hunters in the game. ( "Bring it Down Baby!!!")
In an Air Cav list your CCS is not going to be giving many orders, the whole point of the army is to strike hard and fast. Your CCS is the best armor hunting unit the guard has with BID on itself and 4 meltaguns it can and will kill anything. Then die horribly so make it cheap and focused. CCS 4x melta, thats it.
Dont get caught in the old guard mindset that the CCS is there as a support unit, thats for gunline, not for Air Cav.
The storm troopers are not bad but I think they are improperly focused. 2 meltas is just enough to almost always frustrate you in an anti armor role and you have plenty of anti armor with the vets and ccs.
I recomend either using them naked or with flamers and utilize them as cheap ds objective holders who can take out those token objective holding units or with plasma as dedicated heavy infantry hunters.
The list can be competitive but it will be a very hard list to master. Air Cav is like Mech Eldar but even more fragile. You need to adopt the same playstyle of picking your fights and winning them with overwealming power then dancing back out of range.
You may get hammered in your first few attempts but I do think Air Cav lists have some potential as a middle tier competitive list.
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Big Troy, The Samurai Gunslinger of South Philly
Dystopian Wars fleets: KoB, EotBS, Prussian, FSA
Firestorm Armada Fleets: Sorellian
Current 5th ed WL record
Salamander Marines 22-3(Local) GT Circuit 2-0-1
Mech Vet Guard  54-8-4 (local) 5-1 Ard Boyz
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/21 03:59:40
Subject: New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Dakka Veteran
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You're going to feel some pain when you face a list with some inq/mystics =)
I agree that the vets should be focused. All melta will probably work best. If all the valks have the rocket pods and multilasers, they'll handle enemy troops. Vets handle armor, the CCS helps against tank/MCs and enemy troops in cover. I don't know if I'd mess with the heavy bolter sponsons on the valks...they slow the valk down, which is risky.
Why bring a master of the fleet? You want his stuff on the table to kill, not able to some in and hit you after you're on the table.
Maybe something a little simpler:
CCS squad:
astropath, 4 melta guns 120
CCS squad:
4 melta guns 90
5 storm troopers with 2 melta 105
5 storm troopers with 2 melta 105
10 vet, 3 melta 100
10 vet, 3 melta 100
10 vet, 3 melta 100
10 vet, 3 melta 100
10 vet, 3 melta 100
2 valks with multiple rocket pods
2 valks with multiple rocket pods
3 valks with multiple rocket pods
That comes to 1830, so you've got a few points to play around with. If your area plays that the astropath abilities stack, I'd grab another to come in on a +2.
The valks can hammer horde units easily, and cause enough wounds to force plenty of armor saves on MEQs. The HQs and vets compliment each other for busting hard targets. It's fast and fairly flexible. I dropped one of the storm trooper units to gain another vet unit...more bodies, more meltas, scoring and they can deepstrike from the valks, so they seem to work better.
After a bit of playtesting, I could see tweaking best on your environment. Maybe swap a few valks for vendettas, or make a vet squad anti-troop with flamers/heavy flamers/demos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/29 11:21:05
Subject: New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Nice list, Grimaldi. Going to steal that, when I bump up to that point level. Might put in more Plasma at the expense of a squad, though. MEQ in abundance near me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/31 17:08:00
Subject: New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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lol, enough Meltas? I'd love to see a scenario with aircav and a hydra-heavy force. Anyway, Grimaldi's list is far better...use it =)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/01 00:52:04
Subject: New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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If AirCav gets first turn, I think the Hydras would be dead before they could do much. Otherwise, its Outflank and the same basic idea.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/01 11:27:43
Subject: New IG codex spin on Elysian drop company... thoughts?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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probs
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Many started armies including: / , , ....and Bretonnia |
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