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Can a walker pop smoke and then run in the shooting phase?

The rules say if a unit pops smoke, it can not shoot.

They also say that if a unit runs it may not shoot or assault.

Now, by RAW it would imply that you can run and pop smoke on a walker, but it would also seem to indicate that popping smoke replaces shooting.

I am undecided but leaning towards yes as the more literal interpretation of the rules indicate that you can do both.

Opinions?

I'm pretty sure this is in the rulebook FAQ, and yes you may.

This is in the main rulebook, under either Walkers or Smoke Launchers (I can't remember which) but it specifically says a Walker can smoke on the run.

Thanks guys, anyone have a pg. number off hand? If not no worries, I will look it up.

sourclams wrote:This is in the main rulebook, under either Walkers or Smoke Launchers (I can't remember which) but it specifically says a Walker can smoke on the run.

Yup. And even if it didn't, smoke is something you do instead of shooting, and running means you can't shoot. But this does not mean you couldn't smoke and run because smoke is done instead of shooting but it isn't actually shooting.

Yeah, I thought they both replaced shooting so you could only do one or the other, but by RAW they don't preclude one another, they just both replace the same thing simultaneously.

Yup, its the same situation as relic blade + storm shield.

Except i suppose it doesn't violate the laws of physics as badly.

As stated, yes you may. It's under the Walker rules in the rulebook. Note that you cannot run when stunned though.

Funny thing, this is actually proof that Things with BS0 can run, as not being able to shoot does not stop you running (as shown by Walkers firing smoke )

Pg. 72

Thanks again fellas.

Reecius wrote:Yeah, I thought they both replaced shooting.

Luckily not. They both are actions that disallow shooting, you don't actually have to be able to shoot. Else an infantry unit with any Type:Heavy weapons could never run if it had moved normally in the movement phase, could it? Or a unit with no ranged attacks at all, like genestealers. ;-)

edit: Or for that matter a shaken vehicle couldn't pop smoke and try to get to a better place.

What about rhinos repairing themselves? Can they do it shaken? Can they pop smoke and try? Can they do it stunned even, or if they no longer have any weapons?

Spellbound wrote:What about rhinos repairing themselves? Can they do it shaken? Can they pop smoke and try? Can they do it stunned even, or if they no longer have any weapons?

Try reading the Rules for Repair. Just because you are doing it instead of shooting, does not mean you need to be able to shoot. All it means that if you could shoot, you cant.

Gwar! wrote:Try reading the Rules for Repair

Dude seriously you need to get ahold of yourself. Stop being rude when you answer.

Try something like this instead of phrasing it in rude and condescending manner:

The entry for "repair" on p.76 SM dex only states that it is done "instead of the vehicle shooting". While using repair does preclude a vehicle from firing a weapon, it does not state the unit must be able to fire a weapon. Therefore the lack of ability to shoot does not prevent the repair ability from working.

Gwar! wrote:As stated, yes you may. It's under the Walker rules in the rulebook. Note that you cannot run when stunned though.

Funny thing, this is actually proof that Things with BS0 can run, as not being able to shoot does not stop you running (as shown by Walkers firing smoke )

Well, that and the rules for Run specifically allow it.

Dracos wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Try reading the Rules for Repair

Dude seriously you need to get ahold of yourself. Stop being rude when you answer.

Ahhh... the beauty of "Ignore".

Dracos wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Try reading the Rules for Repair

Dude seriously you need to get ahold of yourself. Stop being rude when you answer.

Try something like this instead of phrasing it in rude and condescending manner:

The entry for "repair" on p.76 SM dex only states that it is done "instead of the vehicle shooting". While using repair does preclude a vehicle from firing a weapon, it does not state the unit must be able to fire a weapon. Therefore the lack of ability to shoot does not prevent the repair ability from working.

How am I being rude? Reading the rules for repair it is pretty clear. Ignore me all you want, if you are gonna ignore me because I refuse to sugar coat my responses, that says a lot more about your character than mine.

Perhaps you need a lesson in manners Gwar!. This is not your personal grounds to condescend and make our ego bigger. Grow up.

edit: Look at what you posted and re-read what I said. I think I'm pretty clear about that saying "Try reading the rules" is rude. Obviously if the person is asking a question, the issue is not as clear to that person as it is to you.

I no way intend it to be rude. If you read it as such I apologise. Text is a very poor media for getting tone across.

Hey, Gwar!, 2900 posts in less than three months? Wake up!

wuestenfux wrote:Hey, Gwar!, 2900 posts in less than three months? Wake up!

This must have been the 4th or 5th post mentioning this.

As I have said before, I recently lost my job and have been unable to find work, hence I spend lots of time on DakkaDakka. Why is it people always accuse me of spamming and let others like Malfred off without so much as a second thought?

Hey, Gwar!, it was not meant offending.

wuestenfux wrote:Hey, Gwar!, it was not meant offending.

I really don't see how Gwar! is being rude......

Also, did anyone find out about popping smokes whilst repairing? (I don't have my rulebook with me right now)

Gang - drifting into personal attack area...

Coming close to violating Dakka's #1 rule.

GWAR! has apologized.

Time to move on.

Cryonicleech wrote:I really don't see how Gwar! is being rude......

Also, did anyone find out about popping smokes whilst repairing? (I don't have my rulebook with me right now)

Yes, its fine. Popping Smokes is done in the Movement Phase, and says you may not shoot. This does not stop you from doing other things instead of shooting, like Repairing or running. If it did, then Walkers would not be able to run after popping smoke, but they can

Something that's fun is popping smoke on a Defiler, using Fleet to get it close enough to assault, assaulting, winning, and then getting a 4+ cover save next turn against all the incoming fire thanks to the smoke.

Nurglitch wrote:Something that's fun is popping smoke on a Defiler, using Fleet to get it close enough to assault, assaulting, winning, and then getting a 4+ cover save next turn against all the incoming fire thanks to the smoke.

That is LOL.