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Hello all,

I am confused about some points about the new IG rules.

1.) Can a Techpriest fix a Valkyrie even though it is a skimmer?
2.) As it is not a dedicated transport can I not deploy my Stormies in it at the start of a game?
3.) Can a Techpriest repair the immoblised result that counts as destroyed when a vehicle is part of a squadron?

Many thanks,

The OC-D

1) Yes, its a vehicle he can fix it.

2) Of course you can, if the skimmer is in your deployment zone its a perfectly valid place to deploy a unit... if they fit.

Remember that the dedicated transport rule only prevents units other than the one it belongs to starting inside it. Its got nothing to do with undedicated transports.

3) No, the vehicle has been destoryed.

does a vehicle with scout (like the valk) get to use it if you deploy a unit inside it (like stormtroopers)?

warboss wrote:does a vehicle with scout (like the valk) get to use it if you deploy a unit inside it (like stormtroopers)?

Does a Drop Pod get to Deep Strike if you put a Unit of Tactical Marines in it?

Of course it can, and so can the Valk

Waaaaaaagh! wrote:

warboss wrote:does a vehicle with scout (like the valk) get to use it if you deploy a unit inside it (like stormtroopers)?

Does a Drop Pod get to Deep Strike if you put a Unit of Tactical Marines in it?

Of course it can, and so can the Valk

the drop pod is a dedicated transport and therefore subject to special rules sharing with it's parent infantry unit. i'm not saying you're wrong (as i agree that it should be able to scout), just that your example isn't as clear cut as you'd like it to seem. after rereading the rules, it only talks about units and independent characters joining and losing the special rules, not vehicles. i'll be playing it as such (assuming i get my two planned valks).

Thanks for all the replies, they will affect my decisioning on buying a Valk.

The OC-D

warboss wrote:

Waaaaaaagh! wrote:

warboss wrote:does a vehicle with scout (like the valk) get to use it if you deploy a unit inside it (like stormtroopers)?

Does a Drop Pod get to Deep Strike if you put a Unit of Tactical Marines in it?

Of course it can, and so can the Valk

the drop pod is a dedicated transport and therefore subject to special rules sharing with it's parent infantry unit. i'm not saying you're wrong (as i agree that it should be able to scout), just that your example isn't as clear cut as you'd like it to seem. after rereading the rules, it only talks about units and independent characters joining and losing the special rules, not vehicles. i'll be playing it as such (assuming i get my two planned valks).

With all Due respect, No. You are wrong. Dedicated transports do not have any sort of Special Rules that you are suggesting. The ONLY rules that Dedicated transports have that non-dedicated ones are:
* They may only have the Unit it is bought for being inside it at deployment or in reserves
* If a Unit Outflanks with a Dedicated transport, they must be embarked on it

That is it. The Drop Pod has no More Special Rules when Deep Striking with a Tactical Squad in tow than a Valkary with Storm Troopers Outflanking.

Waaaaaaagh! wrote:

warboss wrote:

Waaaaaaagh! wrote:

warboss wrote:does a vehicle with scout (like the valk) get to use it if you deploy a unit inside it (like stormtroopers)?

Does a Drop Pod get to Deep Strike if you put a Unit of Tactical Marines in it?

Of course it can, and so can the Valk

the drop pod is a dedicated transport and therefore subject to special rules sharing with it's parent infantry unit. i'm not saying you're wrong (as i agree that it should be able to scout), just that your example isn't as clear cut as you'd like it to seem. after rereading the rules, it only talks about units and independent characters joining and losing the special rules, not vehicles. i'll be playing it as such (assuming i get my two planned valks).

With all Due respect, No. You are wrong. Dedicated transports do not have any sort of Special Rules that you are suggesting. The ONLY rules that Dedicated transports have that non-dedicated ones are:
* They may only have the Unit it is bought for being inside it at deployment or in reserves
* If a Unit Outflanks with a Dedicated transport, they must be embarked on it

That is it. The Drop Pod has no More Special Rules when Deep Striking with a Tactical Squad in tow than a Valkary with Storm Troopers Outflanking.

that rule is EXACTLY what i'm talking about. pg 76 "If a unit with this ability is deployed inside a dedicated transport vehicle, it confers the scout ability to the transport vehicle too." no where does it say that a vehicle does the reverse, conferring scout to a unit embarked on it. if the unit is embarked, it's effectively gaining the ability without anything in the rules to support it. also, the valk is not a dedicated transport so the above doesn't even apply to it either. i agree that it SHOULD be able to scout even with a unit deployed onto it but NO WHERE do the actual rules support this decision. I hope that GW faq's this in the valk's favor but i'm not holding my breath. if you have any actual rules quotes to prove me wrong, feel free to post them. in the meantime, just wishing the opposite is true doesn't make it so.

edit: on second thought, i'm done with this thread. the OP has abandoned it and we'll just end up arguing. i'm out.

The rules on page 76 include the passage about conferring the scout ability on dedicated transports is purely a convenience to avoid requiring the outflanking unit to walk onto the board and leave their dedicated transport behind.

A drop pod has the ability to deep strike, and does not confer that ability on the unit which it is carrying. Yet marines in a drop pod still manage to arrive on the table. A transport which can outflank, or for that matter a transport which arrived on the table by some other magical mechanism, because nothing in the rules puts a qualifier on transports using their special rules while transporting models.

If you put a unit (say a special weapons squad) in the Valk and have it in reserves, can it still deepstrike?
I think most people would say "yes". The same applies to scout.

You could always take the reconnaissance special operation and give your storm troopers infiltrate/outflank and pinning on thier first shot.

warboss wrote:that rule is EXACTLY what i'm talking about. pg 76 "If a unit with this ability is deployed inside a dedicated transport vehicle, it confers the scout ability to the transport vehicle too." no where does it say that a vehicle does the reverse, conferring scout to a unit embarked on it. if the unit is embarked, it's effectively gaining the ability without anything in the rules to support it. also, the valk is not a dedicated transport so the above doesn't even apply to it either. i agree that it SHOULD be able to scout even with a unit deployed onto it but NO WHERE do the actual rules support this decision. I hope that GW faq's this in the valk's favor but i'm not holding my breath. if you have any actual rules quotes to prove me wrong, feel free to post them. in the meantime, just wishing the opposite is true doesn't make it so.

edit: on second thought, i'm done with this thread. the OP has abandoned it and we'll just end up arguing. i'm out.

If you want to get technical, there is nothing to say that embarked units move as fast as the transport they're in, either. Does that mean that the transport can only move 6" since the unit inside can only move that far?

It seems pretty clear that the models inside do not affect how a transport moves and what special rules it uses.