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I was playing against Dark Eldar with nid's and this came up. Wyches seem to have ability to negate bonus from additional closecombat weapon but does this affect tyranid scything talons also?

No. (IMO) Scything Talons offer a bonus for being Scything Talons specifically, not for having 2 CCWs or a Pistol and a CCW.

Actually the codex says that a creature with scything talons counts as having an extra close comat weapon, and a creature with 2 scything talongs gets +2 from this, rather than +1. (Tyranid Codex, p31)

So yes wyches do negate the bonus from scything talons

I agree that the wyche wargear will work against ST.

A more interesting question...will it work against 2 sets of ST?

Also, I can't tell if it is only meant to apply to the models in base contact, or the entire enemy unit.

It applies to any models fighting the unit that has wych weapons, and yes the wording is no unit fighting the wyches in CC count as having additional close combat weapons.

So, it seems to only apply to anything that yields bonus attacks for having extra CC weapons...so things like attack squigs, mace tail thing, mandi-blasters, or any other weapon or special rule that adds attacks that have nothing to do with being an extra or additional CC weapon is safe from wych weapons.

coredump wrote:A more interesting question...will it work against 2 sets of ST?

I don't see how this is more interesting... wyche weapons negate the bonus from having additional cc weapons. If you gave a TMC 8 sets of ST, they still wouldn't do jack against wyches.

padixon wrote:It applies to any models fighting the unit that has wych weapons, and yes the wording is no unit fighting the wyches in CC count as having additional close combat weapons.

Thats not the wording in my codex. "...opponents fighting a Wych who has..."

It does not say the entire unit, and it does say Wych (singular). One view is that the entire enemy unit is 'fighting' that Wych; the other is to only apply it to the opponents directly fighting that Wych.

Futher, the other Wych weapons clearly only affect the Wych that has them, and the more liberal reading makes them more than a no-brainer.

coredump wrote:

padixon wrote:It applies to any models fighting the unit that has wych weapons, and yes the wording is no unit fighting the wyches in CC count as having additional close combat weapons.

Thats not the wording in my codex. "...opponents fighting a Wych who has..."

It does not say the entire unit, and it does say Wych (singular). One view is that the entire enemy unit is 'fighting' that Wych; the other is to only apply it to the opponents directly fighting that Wych.

Futher, the other Wych weapons clearly only affect the Wych that has them, and the more liberal reading makes them more than a no-brainer.

Wow, I have no idea which version of the Dark Eldar codex you have, but it certainly doesn't match the English one which I ordered last month. Does your say "@Copyright Games Workshop Ltd, 1998, 2001. All rights reserved. Second Printing" in the small print on page one?

The codex which I ordered from GW last month says "No members of a unit fighting the Wytches in close combat..." Just to see if I could find the old version of the rules which you listed, I dug back through the Chapter Approved's that I have, and it looks like the 2004 Chapter Approved and your wording doesn't even match the that.

coredump wrote:

padixon wrote:It applies to any models fighting the unit that has wych weapons, and yes the wording is no unit fighting the wyches in CC count as having additional close combat weapons.

Thats not the wording in my codex. "...opponents fighting a Wych who has..."

It does not say the entire unit, and it does say Wych (singular). One view is that the entire enemy unit is 'fighting' that Wych; the other is to only apply it to the opponents directly fighting that Wych.

Futher, the other Wych weapons clearly only affect the Wych that has them, and the more liberal reading makes them more than a no-brainer.

Does your codex have the big white 'Second Edition' stamp on the front cover? If not, then your book is out of date. The revised printing has Wych weapons as an upgrade for the entire squad and says "No member of a unit fighting the Wyches in close combat counts as being equipped with an additional close combat weapon".

OK to clear things up:

Scything talons do not add anything when they are fighting wyches.


And

Wyche weapons only effect a unit that is targeting the wyches in close combat. So if in a multiple unit situation the Tyranids can target a non-wych group or an IC and still get its extra attacks.

The ruling is covered in the Dark Eldar FAQ.

Well damn. I use it so rarely, I never new it wasn't the latest....

Thanks for the corrections.