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there is a spell that opens up a pit in the ground (i cant remember its exact name) that (obviously) doesn't allow Armour saves. but, setra the imperishable has a set of magic armor that says you always get it, does he get it or not?

i would say always means always, but i don't know exactly what the rules say

Setra gets at LEAST a 4+ armor save against all attacks, even those that ignore armor. The specific tends to override the general.

If you're talking about pit of shades then you don't get any saves...just dead....again!

Right, Pit of Shades doesn't do damage, it has no Strength value, it does no wounds. It simply forces a model to take an initiative test, fail it and the model is irrevocably removed. Armor or Ward saves don't apply.

The Empire has a magic item that makes a character pass all characteristic tests (barring ld), that's one of the few things that'd actually help versus the Pit.

so the pit of shades is cast on a unit and each model must pass an intiative test or die? that seems like it would be a bit of a broken spell, especially against soemthign with really low initiative like saurus. whats the catch?

It's hard to cast + dispel attempts.

If the spell requires initiative check or Death, than he dies.

It's not that broken thanks that spells are randomly chosen as well as hard to cast.

Wow, I didn't pick up on Pit of Shades.

Yeah, my statements only applies to attacks that have a strength value and do wounds. Settra's armor doesn't do jack against the Pit.

Plus Pit of Shades uses the small round template, so it doesn't always effect the whole unit.

there is a spell in the WoC nurgle lore. take a in test if you fail make a armor save. if you pass you are removed from game .

That 'pass the armour save and die' rule is also used in swimming rules for troops (for example in case of the General's Compendium ship rules). The heavier the armour, the more likely you are to go down.

the whole point of these initiative tests are to give the models in question a fighting chance.
Cloying Quagmire is a dumb spell though, Ive killed hydras at least twice with it. It affects the whole unit and is cast on a 9.