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2009/06/01 04:14:37
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Auspicious Skink Shaman
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A friend of mine runs an SM Whirlwind as the IG Manticore. My question to you guys is that seeing as how the manticore has no official (Not forgeworld) model, would this fly at a tournament?
The whirlwind has respectable vehicle size dimensions, and I don't think this is an unreasonable case of "counts as"; so I let him use it. And if the the consensus is that it would be accepted, I'd be quite tempted to get one of my own.
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2009/06/01 04:30:27
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Lieutenant General
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That's not something we can answer. You'll have to ask the tournament organizer about that.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
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2009/06/01 05:25:37
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Otiose in a Niche
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The only rule issue is it should have a heavy bolter on it somewhere, other than that it's legal.
I use a WW launcher on a converted Chimera for mine.
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2009/06/01 09:19:18
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kid_Kyoto - well, actually Ghaz answer is the correct one: Only the TO can decide whetehr something is acceptable or not, as it is THEIR tournament. If they decided you must have true, 100% original WYSIWYG models for everything then no, it would not be allowed.
Given the whirlwind is a little smaller than the chimera chassis (if memory serves) and the weapon mount is quite a bit smaller you may actually end up penalising yourself - the weapon on a manticore is so large it can pretty much draw LOS over most intervening tanks, making it easier to get that -BS.
I personally would not have an issue, however I would suggest doing some conversion so it doesnt look exactly the same - lengthening the rockets in the pods so they look a bit more deadly may do the trick, as would maybe up armouring the prow of the rhino so it looks more AV12 than AV11?
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2009/06/01 11:01:42
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Lord of the Fleet
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A whirlwind is considerably smaller.
As mentioned, a whirlwind launcher on a chimera chassis makes more sense. And you'll be left with a complete rhino to sell/trade.
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2009/06/01 14:03:58
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Ghaz wrote:That's not something we can answer. You'll have to ask the tournament organizer about that.
What he said
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2009/06/02 00:33:31
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Auspicious Skink Shaman
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
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Alrighty then, tournaments would be left to the organizer. But personal opinion then? If -you- were running a tournament, would you let it fly?
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2009/06/02 00:36:39
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Stalwart Tribune
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If it was modeled&painted to match the IG list, I'd let it go. If it looks like it was just borrowed from some dude's Ultrasmerf, then no.
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Mechanicum Fleet 2000  1000
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I think that about covers it. For now. |
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2009/06/02 02:45:26
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Lieutenant General
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Mars.Techpriest wrote:If it was modeled&painted to match the IG list, I'd let it go. If it looks like it was just borrowed from some dude's Ultrasmerf, then no.
What he said 
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2009/06/02 20:08:35
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
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Mars.Techpriest wrote:If it was modeled&painted to match the IG list, I'd let it go. If it looks like it was just borrowed from some dude's Ultrasmerf, then no.
Agreeing with this, I doubt anyone will say no as long as you painted it to match your army and put some effort in your conversion.
I personally use 2 whirlwinds as Witch hunter exorcists and I've never recieved a complaint in a tourny.
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2009/06/03 01:56:29
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Graham McNeil
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So long as there is some appropriate marking/conversions/paint scheme i would have no problem with it; just a little heads up would be nice
Edit: Im stealing this idea
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2009/06/03 05:03:57
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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What everyone else has said, although some people may get a little uppity about it, especially since the picture next to the "Manticore" entry in the book shows a Chimera chassis.
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2009/06/03 05:25:24
Subject: SM Whirlwind as IG Manticore
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Luckily the more "up" a person gets, the easier it is to punch em in the nads.
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