1+ Cover save

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**Crucius**

In ruins gives 4+ cover save, camo cloaks give +1 to cover save, command order 'incoming' gives + 2 to cover save, netting you a 1+ cover save.
Is this right?

**Red_Lives**

NO a 1 is always a failure its in the BGB

**Crucius**

ok thanks.

**Ghaz**

Actually it's not because a one is always a failure (it's not) but because the rules say that a save may never be better than a 2+.

**Canonness Rory**

It would be cool though.

A similar effect could be achieved in 4+ cover, with Eldar pathfinders going to ground.

**insaniak**

Ghaz wrote:Actually it's not because a one is always a failure (it's not) but because the rules say that a save may never be better than a 2+.

...and then immediately after that say that a 1 is always a failure...

Not in every situation. But what Red_Lives said was correct in this particular situation.

**Gwar!**

If ya'll want a page reference, its on Page 24 under "Maximum Save"

**Ghaz**

And why is that one always a failure? Because no save can be better than a 2+. You're trying to make the result the cause.

**KaloranSLC**

Isn't the 1 always failing referring to Skill checks, not Saves? I'm not implying that a 1+ save is possible, don't worry. I know that 2+ is the best you can get.

**Gwar!**

KaloranSLC wrote:Isn't the 1 always failing referring to Skill checks, not Saves? I'm not implying that a 1+ save is possible, don't worry. I know that 2+ is the best you can get.

Actually, its a roll of 6 that is always a failure for a Characteristic test, while a 1 is always a success

**KaloranSLC**

Fine then, be that way!

**insaniak**

Ghaz wrote: You're trying to make the result the cause.

No, I'm just pointing out that the rule does actually state that a 1 is always a failure. Nothing more.

**Ghaz**

No, it's simply stating the results of the rule immediately before it or are you saying that GW thinks so little of it's players that they have to have two rules saying the exact same thing in the very same paragraph?

**insaniak**

It constantly amazes me, the things you choose to argue about.

**Ghaz**

It takes two to have an argument.

**orkishlyorkish**

you see? If you put 2 wargamers in the same thread to answer a question, You'll end up with 1 answer and 22 different arguments to how you got to the answer and why it happens. It's very rare to get 2 answers and when you do, the arguments are out of the chart

-Orkishly

**djphranq**

Crucius wrote:In ruins gives 4+ cover save, camo cloaks give +1 to cover save, command order 'incoming' gives + 2 to cover save, netting you a 1+ cover save.
Is this right?

What can get camo cloaks for IG? Is it something you can take with troops?

**Gwar!**

djphranq wrote:
Crucius wrote:In ruins gives 4+ cover save, camo cloaks give +1 to cover save, command order 'incoming' gives + 2 to cover save, netting you a 1+ cover save.
Is this right?

What can get camo cloaks for IG? Is it something you can take with troops?

Oddly enough, this is answered in your IG codex, I heartily suggest you take a quick flip though it to find which units have them and which do not.

**djphranq**

Gwar! wrote:
djphranq wrote:
Crucius wrote:In ruins gives 4+ cover save, camo cloaks give +1 to cover save, command order 'incoming' gives + 2 to cover save, netting you a 1+ cover save.
Is this right?

What can get camo cloaks for IG? Is it something you can take with troops?
Oddly enough, this is answered in your IG codex, I heartily suggest you take a quick flip though it to find which units have them and which do not.

I don't have an IG codex... or at least not the new one...

EDIT: Thumbing through the previous codex I see something mentioned in the doctrines section... and it looks like Gaunt has a camo cloak...

**Gwar!**

djphranq wrote:I don't have an IG codex... or at least not the new one...

Looks like we solved the problem then. Get a codex and read it

Asking for rules is a big No-No.

**Lordhat**

Gwar! wrote:
djphranq wrote:I don't have an IG codex... or at least not the new one...
Looks like we solved the problem then. Get a codex and read it Asking for rules is a big No-No.

Technically you can answer this question without using rules..... all you have to do is supply the name of the units. He's not asking HOW the units get the cloaks, just which ones have access.

To answer the question, Veteran Squads have an option allowing them access to camocloaks. To find out how, pick up a dex and read up.

**Gwar!**

Lordhat wrote:
Gwar! wrote:
djphranq wrote:I don't have an IG codex... or at least not the new one...
Looks like we solved the problem then. Get a codex and read it Asking for rules is a big No-No.

Technically you can answer this question without using rules..... all you have to do is supply the name of the units. He's not asking HOW the units get the cloaks, just which ones have access.

To answer the question, Veteran Squads have an option allowing them access to camocloaks. To find out how, pick up a dex and read up.

I know, I was just being anal as I had run out of Rum.

**Steelmage99**

As long as we are discussing rules here in the forum for....discussing rules, a quote of a given rule or a reference to the (specific) location of a given rule, should be OK.

Wording is important, as proven by the 8+ "my penis is bigger than yours"-posts in this very thread, so a quote of any relevant rules seems allowed.

**Cheex**

djphranq wrote:
Crucius wrote:In ruins gives 4+ cover save, camo cloaks give +1 to cover save, command order 'incoming' gives + 2 to cover save, netting you a 1+ cover save.
Is this right?

What can get camo cloaks for IG? Is it something you can take with troops?

Company Command Squads, Ratlings and Veterans come with/have access to camo cloaks. Marbo cheats, since he has Stealth without needing a cloak.

**yani**

orkishlyorkish wrote:you see? If you put 2 wargamers in the same thread to answer a question, You'll end up with 1 answer and 22 different arguments to how you got to the answer and why it happens. It's very rare to get 2 answers and when you do, the arguments are out of the chart

QFT

**Gwar!**

Cheexsta wrote:
djphranq wrote:
Crucius wrote:In ruins gives 4+ cover save, camo cloaks give +1 to cover save, command order 'incoming' gives + 2 to cover save, netting you a 1+ cover save.
Is this right?

What can get camo cloaks for IG? Is it something you can take with troops?

Company Command Squads, Ratlings and Veterans come with/have access to camo cloaks. Marbo cheats, since he has Stealth without needing a cloak.

ratlings also do not have Cloaks, they have Stealth Inbuilt

**Black Blow Fly**

Ghaz wrote:And why is that one always a failure? Because no save can be better than a 2+. You're trying to make the result the cause.

Easy peesy lemon squeezie. You've got it by Jove.

: )

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Gwar! wrote:
Cheexsta wrote:
djphranq wrote:
Crucius wrote:In ruins gives 4+ cover save, camo cloaks give +1 to cover save, command order 'incoming' gives + 2 to cover save, netting you a 1+ cover save.
Is this right?

It's just a polite way to say they don't bath... just like sour clams.

G

What can get camo cloaks for IG? Is it something you can take with troops?

Company Command Squads, Ratlings and Veterans come with/have access to camo cloaks. Marbo cheats, since he has Stealth without needing a cloak.
ratlings also do not have Cloaks, they have Stealth Inbuilt