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I'm trying to put together a Death Guard army list and I could use some help, would like to have a list that is competitive.
Never put together an Chaos army before so it's new to me.

1500 points is the main objective and a second list at 1750 points is the second objective. (it nice to have a second list so one can expand the army in due time)


HQ: Nurgle Daemon Prince 110pt (the model from FW, does it have it's own rules or the standard Daemon Prince rules work?)
Mark of Nurgle 20pt, Nurgle's Rot 15pt
145pt

Elites: Chaos Terminators x 10 (300pt)
Chain Fist 15pt x 10, Combi-weapons 5pt x 8, Reaper Cannon 25pt x 2
540pt

Elites: Chaos Dreadnoughts x 2 (180pt)
Multimelta 10pt x 2, heavy flamer 5pt x 2
210pt

Troops Plague Marines x 10 (230pt)
Plague Champion 15pt, Powerfist 25pt, Combi-weapon 10pt, Meltagun 10pt x 2
300pt + Rhino 70pt (Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt)

Heavy:Chaos Predator 70pt
Twinlinked lascannon 35pt, Side lascannons 60pt, Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt
200pt

Heavy: Chaos Vindicator 125pt
Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt
160pt

It ends up at 1625 points, but I think the terminator squad is bit too big hehe and the Predator too expensive? :p

Any help and suggestions is most grateful.

Buy wings for your demon prince. Even if you have to model his base as a cloud of noxious gas he floats on, he needs to fly.

Those termies are way too expensive.... you don't need 10 chainfists, even in a huge squad like that. Take 2 or 3 chainfists instead, and 3-4 combi weapons. Reaper autocannon stinks for the points. Also in a 10 termie squad a mark of nurgle is a must have!!!

Tactically, what are you doing to keep your dreadnoughts from blowing up your other tanks when you roll "crazy"?

Your list is not legal, you must have two troop choices minimum. In 1500 or 1750, you actually want 3 scoring troop units for objective based missions.

Your predator is really expensive for a tank with 11 side armor! I would try to go cheap on it.

Vindicator looks fine. The havoc launcher is great in case of "weapon destroyed" results.

HQ- Deamon prince is ok, he will be really slow without wings though. Probably won't make it to battle without cover.

Elite- that's a big terminator squad! I'd say make them two squads of 5. One with combi weapons, one without.

Chaos Dreads suck...have to move toward the closest unit and can shoot their own guys. I'd say drop both.

Troops- you need 2 troop squads minimum. For 1500 points you should have AT LEAST 3. I'd say 2 of 7 Plague Marines with two of the same special weapons and a champ with powerfist. Throw in a base rhino for both (no add ons). Finally, add a squad of 10 normal marines with banner of chaos (leadership). Give em a flamer and missle launcher and a champ with powerfist. Throw them in a base Rhino (again, no add ons)

Heavy- drop the deamonic possession. Drop the havoc launcher. Sit the pred in cover. 165 points. Done

Vindicator- keep the deamonic possession. Drop the havoc launcher (I see a trend here, maybe bc havoc launchers suck).

Add in a defiler or another vindicator with leftover points.

I'd say that would shave off the useless stuff and add another pie plate and another two squads of troops (which this army desperately needs). I'd either get the Deamon Prince wings or make him a terminator lord or psycher and deep strike him with 5 termies.

Gascogne wrote:I'm trying to put together a Death Guard army list and I could use some help, would like to have a list that is competitive.
Never put together an Chaos army before so it's new to me.

1500 points is the main objective and a second list at 1750 points is the second objective. (it nice to have a second list so one can expand the army in due time)


HQ: Nurgle Daemon Prince 110pt (the model from FW, does it have it's own rules or the standard Daemon Prince rules work?)
Mark of Nurgle 20pt, Nurgle's Rot 15pt
145pt

Elites: Chaos Terminators x 10 (300pt)
Chain Fist 15pt x 10, Combi-weapons 5pt x 8, Reaper Cannon 25pt x 2
540pt

Elites: Chaos Dreadnoughts x 2 (180pt)
Multimelta 10pt x 2, heavy flamer 5pt x 2
210pt

Troops Plague Marines x 10 (230pt)
Plague Champion 15pt, Powerfist 25pt, Combi-weapon 10pt, Meltagun 10pt x 2
300pt + Rhino 70pt (Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt)

Heavy:Chaos Predator 70pt
Twinlinked lascannon 35pt, Side lascannons 60pt, Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt
200pt

Heavy: Chaos Vindicator 125pt
Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt
160pt

It ends up at 1625 points, but I think the terminator squad is bit too big hehe and the Predator too expensive? :p

Any help and suggestions is most grateful.

My Advice might not be that useful as my Chaos list i added got slated, but for what it's worth i think....
The HQ with wings (as the guy above said) is probably a sound idea. i might try this soon.
I took Typhus as a HQ with a Sorcerer as a second. I think the models are cool & i like the rules for them to. Despite my slating, I'll probably still keep running them.
The Terminators are too expensive.
Forget about the Dreadnoughts.
Plague marines are cool. Don't bother upgrading their Rhino though. Maybe loose the combi weapon too. I only run 7 in a squad. Up to you.
Also, as above, you need another troop choice.
Heavy - I love your Predator, but forget about the Havoc Launcher & Demonic possession.
I run 2 Predators. One with Twin Lascannons & Las-sponsons & one with Las-sponsons & an Autocannon.
Also, as a heavy choice i run a Vindicator with them. It has got demonic possession.
Hope that gives you food for thought.



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Gascogne wrote:I'm trying to put together a Death Guard army list and I could use some help, would like to have a list that is competitive.
Never put together an Chaos army before so it's new to me.

1500 points is the main objective and a second list at 1750 points is the second objective. (it nice to have a second list so one can expand the army in due time)


HQ: Nurgle Daemon Prince 110pt (the model from FW, does it have it's own rules or the standard Daemon Prince rules work?)
Mark of Nurgle 20pt, Nurgle's Rot 15pt
145pt

Elites: Chaos Terminators x 10 (300pt)
Chain Fist 15pt x 10, Combi-weapons 5pt x 8, Reaper Cannon 25pt x 2
540pt

Elites: Chaos Dreadnoughts x 2 (180pt)
Multimelta 10pt x 2, heavy flamer 5pt x 2
210pt

Troops Plague Marines x 10 (230pt)
Plague Champion 15pt, Powerfist 25pt, Combi-weapon 10pt, Meltagun 10pt x 2
300pt + Rhino 70pt (Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt)

Heavy:Chaos Predator 70pt
Twinlinked lascannon 35pt, Side lascannons 60pt, Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt
200pt

Heavy: Chaos Vindicator 125pt
Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt
160pt

It ends up at 1625 points, but I think the terminator squad is bit too big hehe and the Predator too expensive? :p

Any help and suggestions is most grateful.

My Advice might not be that useful as my Chaos list i added got slated, but for what it's worth i think....
The HQ with wings (as the guy above said) is probably a sound idea. i might try this soon.
I took Typhus as a HQ with a Sorcerer as a second. I think the models are cool & i like the rules for them to. Despite my slating, I'll probably still keep running them.
The Terminators are too expensive.
Forget about the Dreadnoughts.
Plague marines are cool. Don't bother upgrading their Rhino though. Maybe loose the combi weapon too. I only run 7 in a squad. Up to you.
Also, as above, you need another troop choice.
Heavy - I love your Predator, but forget about the Havoc Launcher & Demonic possession.
I run 2 Predators. One with Twin Lascannons & Las-sponsons & one with Las-sponsons & an Autocannon.
Also, as a heavy choice i run a Vindicator with them. It has got demonic possession.
Hope that gives you food for thought.



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S**t. I didn't mean to post this twice, sorry. My Computer had a spaz out.

I don't play DG, but I play against them a good bit. I'll tell you what I fear: lots of basic PMs backed up by heavy fire from Oblits or hard vehicles. The vehicles are tempting to come into melta range of, but then 3x or 4x PMs light into one. It's a very hard nut to crack.

I agree with several things said above:

Ditch the Chaos dreads. Seeing those on the table makes me (the opponent) happy, so you don't want 'em. Spend the points on more PMs (makes the opponent saaaaad!).

The termies are also indeed too big- tarpitting that unit would make someone cry. I could do it with Fortuned Dire Avengers with powerweapon/shimmershield. 'Nids could do it with gaunts. IG with mega-squads with Comissars, etc. And other 500-point units (bike councils, Nob bikerz) would eat that unit. It's better to split them up into 2x5- or better yet, 1x5 plus a few Obliterators.

Finally, daemonic possession on Rhinos is totally unnecessary, as is the Havoc launcher (you'll be moving 12" a turn for the first 2 turns on a regular basis, so unable to shoot. The rest of the time, you'll be shaken. So not shooty bits.) Extra armor is a good idea, though.

Hope that helps. PMs are a major pain in the neck when correctly deployed (in cover on objectives).

Gascogne wrote:I'm trying to put together a Death Guard army list and I could use some help, would like to have a list that is competitive.
Never put together an Chaos army before so it's new to me.

1500 points is the main objective and a second list at 1750 points is the second objective. (it nice to have a second list so one can expand the army in due time)


HQ: Nurgle Daemon Prince 110pt (the model from FW, does it have it's own rules or the standard Daemon Prince rules work?)
Mark of Nurgle 20pt, Nurgle's Rot 15pt
145pt

Elites: Chaos Terminators x 10 (300pt)
Chain Fist 15pt x 10, Combi-weapons 5pt x 8, Reaper Cannon 25pt x 2
540pt

Elites: Chaos Dreadnoughts x 2 (180pt)
Multimelta 10pt x 2, heavy flamer 5pt x 2
210pt

Troops Plague Marines x 10 (230pt)
Plague Champion 15pt, Powerfist 25pt, Combi-weapon 10pt, Meltagun 10pt x 2
300pt + Rhino 70pt (Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt)

Heavy:Chaos Predator 70pt
Twinlinked lascannon 35pt, Side lascannons 60pt, Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt
200pt

Heavy: Chaos Vindicator 125pt
Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt
160pt

It ends up at 1625 points, but I think the terminator squad is bit too big hehe and the Predator too expensive? :p

Any help and suggestions is most grateful.

Ok,let's take a look at what you have here.
The Daemon Prince is a solid choice,However I would add wings,10 terminators are a bit much,I'd drop a few(maybe take the sqaud down to 7 just for fluffs sake)combi-wepons are good,but I'd loose the reaper canon.
Chaos Deadnoughts can be ALOT more trouble than they are worth,I would definatly not take 2 of them,really I'd avoid them in favor of using those points on more Plague Marines.
You need More sqauds of PM's,this is going to be the back bone of your army,loose the damonic posesion & havoc launcher on the rhino,waste of points.
Vindicators & Predators are good ,however once again loose the havoc launchers,as well a posesion from the predator.
What you really want to focus on in a Death Guard army is sqauds of Plague Marines,3 sqauds of 7 are amazingly hard solid troops.
Also,while they are not what they used to be,plaguebearers are still great for tarpitting,so you may want to consider a unit of them.
Lastly,if you have not visited the Legio Morbidus section on Bolter & Chainsword I highly recomend you do so,LOTS of great Death Guard fluff,info,modeling tips and tactical advice.

Thanks for the response, I have tweaked the list little now.



HQ: Nurgle Daemon Prince 110pt (No changes) (the model from FW, does it have it's own rules or the standard Daemon Prince rules work?)
Mark of Nurgle 20pt, Nurgle's Rot 15pt
145pt

Elites: Chaos Terminators x 5 (150pt) (lowered the squad down to 5 and removed the reaper cannon)
Chain Fist 15pt x 5, Combi-weapons 5pt x 5
250pt
(Does this unit need Icon of Nurgle?)

Elites: Chaos Dreadnought (I love the new Nurgle dreads on FW too much so I need atleast one in my army )
Multimelta 10pt, heavy flamer 5pt
105pt

Troops Plague Marines x 7 (161pt) (lowered the squad here as well so one could take more troop numbers)
Plague Champion 15pt, Powerfist 25pt, Combi-weapon 10pt, Meltagun 10pt x 2
266pt (including basic rhino)

Troops Plague Marines x 7 (161pt)
Plague Champion 15pt, Powerfist 25pt, Combi-weapon 10pt, Meltagun 10pt x 2
266pt (including basic rhino)

Troops Plague Marines x 7 (161pt)
Plague Champion 15pt, Powerfist 25pt, Combi-weapon 10pt, Meltagun 10pt x 2
266pt (including basic rhino)

Heavy:Chaos Predator 70pt (made the tank cheaper)
Twinlinked lascannon 35pt, Side heavybolters 30pt
135pt

Heavy: Chaos Vindicator 125pt (no changes)
Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt
160pt

Total amount: 1593 points.
So it's 93 points too much...


Any thoughts?

As to the 93 points I'd drop a few of the chainfists (maybe all) from the termies to start. Then I'd get rid of the combi-weapon on each 3 of the Plague Marines squads. Finally, I'd drop a Havoc Launcher on the Vindicator. This would give you 45 from the weapons and launcher and up to 75 from the chainfists. If you drop these you can make up the 93 points with 27 left. I'd strongly advise wings on the deamon prince. He is a close combat monster, he needs a way to get there. That would give you 7 under to mess with still. Finally, I'd say if you want to run the Preditor with heavy bolters you might as well have the auto cannon. Either make it all anti infintry or all anti tank. No reason to mix.

Updated the list little

HQ: Nurgle Daemon Prince 110pt
Mark of Nurgle 20pt, Nurgle's Rot 15pt
145pt

Elites: Chaos Terminators x 5 (150pt)
Chain Fist 15pt x 5, Combi-weapons 5pt x 5, Icon of Nurgle 40pt (added Icon)
290pt


Elites: Chaos Dreadnought
Multimelta 10pt, heavy flamer 5pt
105pt

Troops Plague Marines x 7 (161pt)
Plague Champion 15pt, Powerfist 25pt, Combi-weapon 10pt, Meltagun 10pt x 2
266pt (including basic rhino)

Troops Plague Marines x 7 (161pt)
Plague Champion 15pt, Powerfist 25pt, Combi-weapon 10pt, Meltagun 10pt x 2
266pt (including basic rhino)

Troops Plague Marines x 7 (161pt)
Plague Champion 15pt, Powerfist 25pt, Combi-weapon 10pt, Meltagun 10pt x 2
266pt (including basic rhino)

Heavy:Chaos Predator 70pt (plain anti-inf now)
Side heavy-bolters 30pt
100pt

Heavy: Chaos Vindicator 125pt
Daemonic Possession 20pt, Havoc Launcher 15pt
160pt

Total amount: 1598 points.
So it's 98 points too much... >_<

About the chainfists in the termie squad, aren't they good to have against Landraiders?
And the combi-weapons in the troops, is it too much with 3 "special weapons" or is it just that combi is too expensive?

Drop 3 Chainfists
Drop 3 Combi-weapons
Drop Havoc Launcher
Change 1 powerfist to a power sword

Thats 100 points.

Although I would just drop the Dread and 2 chainfists and give your Prince wings.