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OK well I have been playin the new guard for the whole time they have been out and old guard from before that. And I keep running into the same problem in general games finishing the opponent. My lists usually start off extremely well like I'll knock off 2 units first turn and just it'll look nasty till bout turn 3 when gak starts going down and I pretty much just get mauled. I don't know exsactly what is killing me so bad. Like the past 3 games I have played have just looked like I was gonna table the guy till turn 3 when my vet squads start dissappearing and my gak start falling apart. I'll get a few game walk throughs next time I play (on monday challenge game in a league here) but here is the listt or a semblance of the one I usually play. C and C are needed badly.

Its usually something along the lines of

HQ----

Creed in CCS, officer of fleet

170

Elite----

Ratlings 100

4x Ogyrn Chimera 225

Troops----

Vet Squad
Chimera
Charapace
3x Plasma
200

Vet Squad
Chimera
Charapace
3x Plasma
200

Vet Squad
Chimera
Charapace
3x Melta
185

Vet Squad
Chimera
Charapace
2x Flamer
1xHF
185

1 Penal Legion Squad
80

Fast----

Valkery 100

BaneWold with Smoke 135

Heavy-----------

Demolisher
Plasma Cannons
Lascannon 240

Medusa 140 Bastion shells included


Something along that I have storm troops now so the Ogyrn will probly be replaced and I'm looking into a colosus insterad of the medusa.

Drop Creed, the ratlings, the penal legion and the ogryns. Anything else you can take would be better spent than on those. Creed requires an army be built around him but all your squads are mounted and so won't really benefit from orders. Ratlings run to easy and don't do enough damage. Ogryns just cost to dang much. And I have yet to see the penal legion do anything other than take 2 turns to die. Also should get some missile pods for the valk. Makes it an infantry killing machine. And more melta's, definitely more meltas.

I don't think running Vets with Carapace is worth it points wise, as their best armour is their Chimera. I'll also second his suggestion of getting Multiple Rocket Pods on that Valkyrie.

I was thinking bout droping creed, the ratlings, and the Ogryns. The only time I use Ogryns are usally when I take Yarrick maybe other people have dif experiences with that but gak that unit recks your mom.

Anyway droping those and probly the Valkery. I have NEVER EVER NEVER. Had the Valkery pay for its self let alone stay on the board for more than one turn. And I've tried using it every way possible.

I think what I'll do is switch all the vets to melta drop the Carapace. Then with all the other stuff I dropped add an Executioner and 2 squads of deepstriking Strom Troopers with melta/plasma then switching all my chimera hulls to HFs. I'm torn on what HQ to take though i think a CCS is cheap ya but wtf am i gonna do with it its just a kill point going HEY LOOK AT ME KILL ME!!

Hmm about the penal legion I have had them pay for themselves quite a few times. The outflanking when they get furious charge is awsome. Great for charging those lootehs or the Oblits in the back. Even if they lose combat yay stuburn. So I'll test dropping them or not. And switch to the Collosus. I will then check my points and move stuff around because I want to fit in a Pysker Battle Squad that I tested out today in a chimera and it fething wrecked. I loved it I will be probly buying another chimera for it.

As for your problems with the Valkyrie, I think if you only field one that you are asking for it to be shot off of the board. I usually field 1 Valkyrie and 2 Vendettas, and if one of those draws all my opponents ranged AT for turn 1, well then it's probably worth the 130 points I spent on it.

Ya I guess that's probly what it is I think its mostly my digust of spending 60 bucks on one model that isn't like a fething landraider.

First of all, I fething love your choice of slang.

Second, If your Larkin for good advice, youv found it. (cheesy)

Seriously everything people in this thread have said is golden.

Ogyrns NO!

Ratlings NO!

Carapace NO!

Penal legion NO!

Creed NO!

Valks with rockets & dettas YES!

PBS YES!

Demo with plasma sponson YES!

Vets with plasma/melta YES!

Creed and the ogryns are the biggest sink this army has.

Creed's only job is to give orders which he cant since this is a mech list. Without him you can make yourself a nice CCS with 4 meltas with a chim or hoping out of a valk.

Medusa and banewolf arnt my cup of tea but its a matter of perference. Everything else is gold.

Yea sorry bout the language been trying to turn it down lol. Sorry bout that no offense to anyone just how I talk I'll try to stop haha.

I think i'll be taken most the advice here cutting out most of what I was told sounds good. What do you think of executioners? I have tested them before and loved them what do yall think?


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Ok sorry for the double post but I'm just seperatin the posts this is a revised this I just came up with tell me what yall think.

HQ-----------

CCS
4x meltas
Plasma Pistol
100



Elites---------------

Pysker Battle Squad

Chimera

165

5x Storm Troops

w/meltas

105

5x Storm Troops

w/plasma 115

Troops----------------

Vet Squad
3x Meltas
Chimera
155

Vet Squad
3x Meltas
Chimera
155

Vet Squad
3x Meltas
Chimera
155

Vet Squad
3x Plasma
Chimera
170

Fast-----------------------

Valkery with Missle Pods 130

Valkery with Missle Pods 130

BaneWolf with Smoke 135

Heavy-------------

Colossus 140

Demolisher
-Lascannon
-Plasma Cannons
240

Executioner
-Plasma Cannon Sponsons
-Lascannon
245



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