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One of my buddies thinks Nob Biker squads ignore normal wound allocation rules due to an ambiguity in their description. I would argue that in game mechanics > fluff, and therefore normal wound allocation rules apply. There's no intention on his part to power game or anythign, he's a great player. Just not sure of something is all.

Basically, you need to remove full models, so 10 unsaved wounds to a ten-man biker mob would be applied to 5 models, removing 5. His view is 10 wounds get applied 1 each to each model, and none would be removed in this example.

Can you guys provide some clarity?

Thanks.

Why don't you use the Search function?
Oh yeah, and tell your buddy to read the rulebook. Maybe you too.

The wound allocation section would be a good place to start. Glance over the section on Complex Units too.

hes correct but for the wrong reasons. Well atleast hes semi correct.

In game mechanics you only have to take of full models over spreading the wounds if the models are identical. However Nob Bikers can be given sufficiently different gear as to make each one unique, in that case wounds can be allocated individually rather than a group as a whole.

There is no fluff basis for this however so if he was argueing to do it for some fluffy reason he is wrong in his arguement, but he came to the right conclusion never the less.

He can do it because he has been able to kit out each nob with different wargear.
Reading the rulebook (especially the part about complex units) is a good start.

theoretically, it can turn out that way, but you can't *make* it happen.


IF...

Each nob has different wargear, then you allocate wounds to each individual nob, and they roll saves individually.
Then, IF, they roll just right, they can each take a wound before one of them dies. But that is less than likely.

What he *can't* do, is roll all the saves at the same time, and then spread out the wounds to individual models.

Say he had six wounds and a five man squad. if each one was the same he would roll all six, and say he failed two. then he'd remove one model.

if each model was different then he could allocate 1 wound to four bikers, and two to the other.

In this way if the group was hit by six wounds, one of which was ignored armour saved. He could put the unsavable wound on a guy who already has a wound to minimise the chances he loses multiple guys.

He is correct.
Imagine to deal 4 wounds to his squad.
He can take one wound per Nob.
That means, if he saves none of them, he loses no models.
Now imagine you deal 7 more wounds to him.
He takes 6 on his unwounded nobs, and 1 more on a wounded nob.
Imagine he fails all his saves.
That is 1 nob dead.

Pretty simple.

To avoid this problem, simply shoot nobz with S8+ weapons.

Overchargethis, this of course all assumes that your opponent actually buys different wargear for each and every nob biker.

I suggest using a piece of paper to keep track of which models have been wounded, and who any given wounds are assigned too. From experience I can say that using dice as wound counters for a 10 man (ork) unit that is likely to get into CC, doesn't really work too well.

Steelmage99 wrote:Overchargethis, this of course all assumes that your opponent actually buys different wargear for each and every nob biker.

I suggest using a piece of paper to keep track of which models have been wounded, and who any given wounds are assigned too. From experience I can say that using dice as wound counters for a 10 man (ork) unit that is likely to get into CC, doesn't really work too well.

While I agree wholeheartedly with all of this, I think you're understating the likelihood of the situation. At 1850 and above, I run two squads of 10 Nobz (no bikes). To give my opponents a glimmer of hope, I don't fully distribute the equipment, but I come close. I can take a wound on my painboy, a choppa/slugga nob without 'eavy armor (aka power weapon magnet), a choppa/slugga with eavy armor, a choppa/slugga with waaagh banner, a powerklaw with bosspole, a powerklaw without bosspole, and if it's shooting, I can soak one on the attached warboss too. So we're looking at soaking 7 wounds before doubling up rather than 11, not that far off. Once an Ork player sees this in action, they're going to use it, and use it often, especially considering that the example I've listed here doesn't require me spending any more points than I would have otherwise, and in fact saves me 5 points per squad by leaving the 'eavy armor off of one. The only difference is the allocation of where the equipment goes. In order to get up to the full allocation I simply buy 4 kombi weapons. Not going to break the bank. This is easy to do, and effective.

Im sorry if I implied that this doesn't happen too often. Any Warboss with half a brain will, and should, do this.

The reason why I said "actually" was because I have run into Ork players that assumed it was a Nob-thing and not a Wargear-thing.

And exactly what kind of warboss leaves the other half of the brain in the lousy git he pulled half out of?