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By your logic, nobody should use anything other than gunline armies, because all that matters is firepower!

Even though a Guardsman with an Autocannon is 25 points, and Plasma, autocannons, most MCs, ALL PFs, and every other form of S6+ IDs them, and their save is denied by bolters.


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Hollismason wrote:They're are far more efficient units in the army than the Crisis Battlesuits.

They're statlines ; are bad; options still not that great; small model count makes them completely vulnerable to pinning; or well anything really that affects leadership.

Okay at its max lets say you do take 6 shield drones; for 120 points base 120 points.

That's slowed stop using them.

You do not know how to use semicolons, stop trying.
Their statlines are great, they are Ld8 and NOBODY uses pinning,
And so you can't take 50 Shield drones, so what? Who needs shield drones, just JSJ out of the way.

You're slowed stop posting.


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Hollismason wrote:Warfishes

The Plural of Fish is Fish.
Try paying attention in school junior.

Hollismason wrote:2 5 man units of Pirahnas can easily drop FNP ; Terminators ; whatever they are melta guns.

They're also 750 points before upgrades, and die to a stiff breeze.

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Hollismason wrote:2 5 man units of Pirahnas can easily drop FNP ; Terminators ; whatever they are melta guns.

They're also 750 points before upgrades, and die to a stiff breeze.

They're tougher and faster then the suits, and can split into two units in advantageous situations, while carrying compareable fire power.

Personally, I like the suits conceptually, but I think they're up there for "least point efficient unit" in the codex, so they only ever seem to exist in the first draft or too of an army list, as soon as I go back over it looking to improve things they go away.

Jack

Suits not only have better firepower, but are more mobile because they can JSJ, and can fire two weapons and still move 12 inches per turn.
Their armament is also much, much better.
Against terminators or MEQs a rapid firing plasma rifle is better than a fusion blaster, at the same range.
And Piranhas can't take flamers or missile pods or plasma rifles or CIBs or AFPs or shield drones or marker drones or more than 2 gun drones.