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Okay according to the rules for vehicle Squadrons.

Use the rules for vehicles to determine if each squadron member is in cover and then the rules for normal units to work out if the entire squadron is in cover or not


Okay now Disruption field.

Vehicles with a Disruption field count as being Obscured when fired at beyond 12 inches.


Normal Unit rules for cover state that only 50 percent of the unit must be in cover for the whole squad to receive cover saves.



So if you have 5 Pirahanas with 3 disruption fields and you suffer 5 hits that penetrate would you get to make 5 cover saves remembering that 3 of the members are in cover and that units that have more than 50 percent of the models in cover receive a cover save.

Then would you be able to allocate failures to Pirahnas that do not have Disruption fields?

You allocate before taking saves.

Same issue with LR vehicle squadrons having 2 tanks in cover and 1 not in cover.

I see the arguement for why you don't need to have D-Pods on all the piranhas, but I don't play that way.

The problem is that you use both the vehicle rules and the normal unit rules to determine if the whole squadron gets cover saves.


I think the issue could also be pointed out to say you have 3 Basilisks with two behind a building and one in the open.

You shoot at the one in the open since the other two are obscured would the Basilisk in the open get a cover save?

You allocate penetrating and glancing hits before resolving what they are on the damage tables, meaning you can't roll up a destroyed result and then say "that was the pirahna without the disruption field" but other than that you are correct.

A similar situation occurs with Imperial Guard tank squadrons and smoke launchers, 2 Leman Russ tanks can move before one uses smoke, this grants the whole unit a cover save due to the smoke but the model that didn't use it may still fire.

Here's the relevant rules:

Vehicle squadrons determine cover by the normal method for a unit. So, if half the squadron is in cover, the whole unit is.

You determine if a vehicle is in cover by whether half of it is in cover or not.

So, if you have 3 tanks, and 2 have at least 50% obsured by TLOS from the shooter, the squadron counts as being in cover. Which means that after allocating glances and pens, all the vehicles would get a cover save.

You cannot then change which vehicle suffers a damage result (you couldn't transfer a vehicle destoryed for a tank in cover to open in the open). But, you're free to allocate as many pens as possible to the tank in the open before determining the damage results.

Drunkspleen wrote:
A similar situation occurs with Imperial Guard tank squadrons and smoke launchers, 2 Leman Russ tanks can move before one uses smoke, this grants the whole unit a cover save due to the smoke but the model that didn't use it may still fire.

That is a legal move? Wow, going to stick that one in the back of the brain housing group for later.

The question though is would it work with Disruption fields?

5 pirahnas 3 with disruption fieds and 2 withouth; you have 2 penetrating hits you allocate them to the 2 without disruption fields since 50% of the unit is in cover then those two without would get cover saves.


How about measuring ranges though.

You have your 2 pirahnas in front of the 3 that have disruption fields the 2 in front are closer than 12 the 3 in back are not since you measure ranges to the whole squad would all 5 not get cover saves or would when you allocate hits and see if they are in cover follow the rules for disruption field that shows that 3 are beyond 12 and would receive cover saves since that is more that 50 percent of the unit in cover would the front two that are within 12 recieve a cover save?

Hollismason wrote:The question though is would it work with Disruption fields?

5 pirahnas 3 with disruption fieds and 2 withouth; you have 2 penetrating hits you allocate them to the 2 without disruption fields since 50% of the unit is in cover then those two without would get cover saves.

How about measuring ranges though.

You have your 2 pirahnas in front of the 3 that have disruption fields the 2 in front are closer than 12 the 3 in back are not since you measure ranges to the whole squad would all 5 not get cover saves or would when you allocate hits and see if they are in cover follow the rules for disruption field that shows that 3 are beyond 12 and would receive cover saves since that is more that 50 percent of the unit in cover would the front two that are within 12 recieve a cover save?

If half or more of the unit is in cover, the unit is in cover. That's the rules. So, yes, it works with D-Pods. Personally, I just buy them all D-Pods. It's only +5 pts each, I don't feel so slimmy, and I don't worry about losing enough D-Pod piranhas to lose the cover save for the unit.

It's just working with points 2 Dpods is a Flechette its not bad the point is to get as many as you possibly can really.

dietrich wrote:

Hollismason wrote:The question though is would it work with Disruption fields?

5 pirahnas 3 with disruption fieds and 2 withouth; you have 2 penetrating hits you allocate them to the 2 without disruption fields since 50% of the unit is in cover then those two without would get cover saves.

How about measuring ranges though.

You have your 2 pirahnas in front of the 3 that have disruption fields the 2 in front are closer than 12 the 3 in back are not since you measure ranges to the whole squad would all 5 not get cover saves or would when you allocate hits and see if they are in cover follow the rules for disruption field that shows that 3 are beyond 12 and would receive cover saves since that is more that 50 percent of the unit in cover would the front two that are within 12 recieve a cover save?

If half or more of the unit is in cover, the unit is in cover. That's the rules. So, yes, it works with D-Pods. Personally, I just buy them all D-Pods. It's only +5 pts each, I don't feel so slimmy, and I don't worry about losing enough D-Pod piranhas to lose the cover save for the unit.

That is correct, the entire unit gains a cover save as long as 50% of the squad can be counted in cover.

Its not a game changer by any stretch but it does free up some points here and there for equiping other items such as Flechette Discharge.