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Ok so I'm a n00b DH player, and I wanna know if I can give a unit a teleport homer and stick him in a LR, and be able to use that homer to DS some termies into play at the beginning of the turn they come into play?

I understand that DH teleport homers don't work because of the outdated rules, but I just use em anyway, with the new DS scattering rules.

Not familiar with DH Teleport Homers, however, if a model is inside a Land Raider w/ the teleport homer, if you place your initial deep striking model within 6" of the hull of the Land Raider, the model will not scatter.

Wargear works from inside tanks?

0o. I have to reread my rulebook.

with an iron fist wrote:Wargear works from inside tanks?

0o. I have to reread my rulebook.

Check it, but it works that way for CSM icons, so I'd probably say yeah... but check the 'dex.

I haven't read a rule that states one way or the other. I'd have to file that between cheddar and swiss though for the simple cheese factor. Being able to protect a unit with a beacon inside the 14 all around LR seems, to me, to be against the spirit of the game.

Any time you need to measure a Range to a model that is embarked on a Transport, you measure from the Hull Instead.

Unless the DH codex says otherwise (don't have the book to hand), it works from inside a Land Raider

The DH rules say "If the template used by the teleporting grey knights to make a deep strike is centred on the model with the homer" which can't really happen when embarked, but since you aren't playing RAW anyway why not just make up the answer to whether you can use it embarked or not.

Drunkspleen wrote:The DH rules say "If the template used by the teleporting grey knights to make a deep strike is centred on the model with the homer" which can't really happen when embarked, but since you aren't playing RAW anyway why not just make up the answer to whether you can use it embarked or not.

In that case, it wouldn't work if in a LR, if it specificaly needs to be centered over the model with the Homer, rather than having an effect x" from the model...

-Gwar Needs to clean up his Warhammer Stuff and find the bloody codex-

Deep Striking doesn't use a Template any more. The DH homer is referencing the 4th edition Deep Strike rules.

It was updated in the Wargear book to be the same as everyone else's (Deep Striking units within 6" of the bearer).

insaniak wrote:Deep Striking doesn't use a Template any more. The DH homer is referencing the 4th edition Deep Strike rules.

I highly doubt that, considering it was written in 3rd edition

insaniak wrote:Deep Striking doesn't use a Template any more. The DH homer is referencing the 4th edition Deep Strike rules.

It was updated in the Wargear book to be the same as everyone else's (Deep Striking units within 6" of the bearer).

Is this true? Because then Gwar!'s original observation would be correct and it could be used from a vehicle.

Smashotron wrote:

insaniak wrote:Deep Striking doesn't use a Template any more. The DH homer is referencing the 4th edition Deep Strike rules.

It was updated in the Wargear book to be the same as everyone else's (Deep Striking units within 6" of the bearer).

Is this true? Because then Gwar!'s original observation would be correct and it could be used from a vehicle.

It could be true as E=MC^2 but it wont change anything. The wargear book doesn't apply anymore.

B-b-brain aneurysm, man. Where does it say that, for the DH, the Wargear book is obsolete?

Smashotron wrote:B-b-brain aneurysm, man. Where does it say that, for the DH, the Wargear book is obsolete?

Where does it say you CAN use the Wargear book? It doesn't, It says you use your Codex and the Rulebook

Hssssssss. Where does it say you can use a codex and rulebook? Haha.

Gwar! wrote:

insaniak wrote:Deep Striking doesn't use a Template any more. The DH homer is referencing the 4th edition Deep Strike rules.

I highly doubt that, considering it was written in 3rd edition

Yeah, my bad. 4th ed didn't use templates either.

Gwar! wrote:Where does it say you CAN use the Wargear book? It doesn't, It says you use your Codex and the Rulebook

That was always a ridiculous argument, and rehashing it isn't going to make it any less so.

The Wargear book included a whole bunch of updates for various armies, to bring older codexes in line with 4th edition. Anything that has not since been updated is still valid, because nothing has been said otherwise.

Why people persist in sticking their fingers in their ears and insisting that the whole book was invalid purely because GW didn't state in huge flaming letters across the sky that it was intended as an official update (because, you know, putting it in the front of the book means nothing) is completely beyond me.


In this particular case, without the Wargear book DH teleport homers don't do anything, ever, since you will never be placing a template over the model with the homer... So you have the choice of either assuming that the Wargear book update still applies, or assuming that the DH Teleport Homer is completely useless.

insaniak wrote:GW didn't state in huge flaming letters across the sky

Admit that you think this is an Awesome Idea.

But yes, as you said, the Wargear Brought stuff in line for 4th edition, not 5th.
Another reason is that no-one seems to have the bloody thing

Gwar! wrote:But yes, as you said, the Wargear Brought stuff in line for 4th edition, not 5th.

And...?

In case you haven't noticed, everything from 4th edition that hasn't since been updated carried straight across into 5th.

All the Legacy Codexes have been given an FAQ stating how to use them with 5th edition. That is how GW decided to update them.

I dunno, It just seems that GW's mantra has changed in 5th to "If its not your codex you don't use it". I suppose that is the basis of my argument.

Personally I wouldn't care too much of someone wanted to use the Wargear book, but It would be straining my Gentle Nature

insaniak wrote:

Gwar! wrote:But yes, as you said, the Wargear Brought stuff in line for 4th edition, not 5th.

And...?

In case you haven't noticed, everything from 4th edition that hasn't since been updated carried straight across into 5th.

Yea, because these all carried over straight over:

Auspex/Bionics/Fang of Morkai/Wolf Helm of Russ/Wolf Totem

Oh wait..............

Gwar! wrote:All the Legacy Codexes have been given an FAQ stating how to use them with 5th edition. That is how GW decided to update them.

And yet the DH Teleport Homer, which does nothing under 4th or 5th edition Deep Strike rules, was not included in the 5th edition FAQ.

Surely not a mistake... GW's writers always mean exactly what they write, after all.

It's almost as if they thought 'Hey, no need to include it in an FAQ, because we've already updated it...'

I dunno, It just seems that GW's mantra has changed in 5th to "If its not your codex you don't use it". I suppose that is the basis of my argument.

Not really. Their current philosophy is that each codex is self-contained, and rules from one don't carry across into another.

That's not the same as ignoring all external updates.

The Wargear book was printed for a reason. Sure, the execution was bad (should have been a ring-binder, updated with each codex release) ... but releasing a rules reference that doesn't serve as an official source of rules is beyond pointless.

We've had nothing to say that the Wargear book is no longer valid. We have at the very least this one item that was updated in the Wargear book and nowhere else since, and that without that update does nothing under the current rules...

So, as far as I'm concerned, not using the Wargear book for its intended purpose in this case is just asinine. YMMV, obviously.

What about all the Chapter Approved books then? Do we still use those? They were printed for a purpose.

Is there anything left in Chapter Approved that hasn't been updated or made redundant?

If so, I certainly wouldn't have a problem with it.

Brother Ramses wrote:What about all the Chapter Approved books then? Do we still use those? They were printed for a purpose.

There has not been any Chapter Approved Books Printed for 5th edition, nor is there any content from them other than some army lists that have have not been replaced by newer books.