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Hello all. First off I would like to say hello to everybody. I decided to join Dakka Dakka because I have been browsing this forum for a while now, and everybody here seems to be very well informed and even though can sometimes get a bit roudy, are still very informative. I am new, so please go easy... On terms of the forum.

Ok, so I know that this topic has been covered.... oh I'm gonna say about over two trillion times, HOWEVER, after much reading on this forum, other forums, and reading through the DH codex.... twenty eight times, I'd like to ask a question in hopes that someone can contra-dict me so I can finally have a full proof answer.

Alright so to jump right into it. I understand that Grey Knights in Power Armour...(I know it's GKPA, I just want to be clear) Can use a Land Raider as a Transport, but only counted as a Heavy Support option, so therefore it is not counted as a dedicated transport.

NOW, in the DH codex, under transports, the chimera can take twelve models, as well as models in Terminator Armour, they just count as two models instead of one. Land Raiders specifically say ten models, five in Terminator Armour, and the rhino says ten models, NO TERMINATOR ARMOUR. It says nothing about NO POWER ARMOUR.

Now I know many people will also say that under the GK section, it doesn't say anything about them taking any type of transport, unlike what it says for the Storm Troopers and the Inquisitorial Lord.

However, if it were to be going by RAW, there is no place that says GKPA CANNOT ride in a rhino. There is nothing written about them taking a dedicated transport, but there is also nothing written about them not taking a rhino, or a chimera for that matter. If people were going by RAW, then they would have to keep models in Terminator Armour out of the rhino, and that's it. It does not specifically say anything about keeping Power Armour units out.

Can somebody make this more clear? I understand both sides, however I think RAW might actually be dominating here, so GW might have made a mistake?

Thanks for any and all input.

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Grey Knights cannot take any transport that's not a Heavy Support Land Raider or Land Raider Crusader. The rules in the Daemonhunters codex say you cannot share dedicated transports between units.

However, you can work around this by using allies with newer rulesets that let you buy Rhinos and Chimeras and the like, and put your Grey Knights in them. This won't work with WH allies, as they use the same outdated rules as DH. And if you use SM allies, then you have to take the DH as allies to the marines, as DH with marines as the allies means you can't use GK.

could you explain to me using allies? like as in use space marins, buy a rhino, and put grey knights in it? or what exactly do you mean? thanks for the reply btw.
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Exactly like that, except the allies rules forbid you from using Grey Knights if you induct space marines as allies. So you'll have to settle for Chimeras from inducted Imperial Guard Platoons, or take dedicated rhinos for Inquisitorial Storm Troopers with no allies (though this may be explicitly denied if there's a clause about not sharing transports in the DH codex.)

Or use Space Marines with DH allies. For some stupid reason, you can't use GK with Space Marines, but you can use Space Marines with GK.

And the reason why is because the guys who write rules for GW are idiots.

Also updated my first post to explain the transport situation further.

Hey thanks a lot for the help and info. I've been looking around and havent been able able to find anything on using allies under the space marine codex. could someone take the time to list off everything you can use as an ally if using space marines? or re-direct me to a post where they've already done that. Thanks a bunch. ^-^
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I am moving this thread to YMDC.

the main dude wrote:However, if it were to be going by RAW, there is no place that says GKPA CANNOT ride in a rhino.

"It doesn't say I can't" does not a rule make.

In order to do something, you need a rule that says you can do it.

Grey Knights have no transport option. They therefore can not take a dedicated transport. The rules don't need to say that they can't do so... it's simply not an option for them.



They can ride in allied units' rhinos though, as others have mentioned.

the main dude wrote:Hey thanks a lot for the help and info. I've been looking around and havent been able able to find anything on using allies under the space marine codex. could someone take the time to list off everything you can use as an ally if using space marines? or re-direct me to a post where they've already done that. Thanks a bunch. ^-^
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Codex: Space Marines doesn't cover allies. However, CH and C:WH do, and there's options for both Inquisition with Space Marine allies or Space Marine with Inquisition allies.

It's in Codex: Daemonhunters.