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Friend was insisting that square bases are legal for 40k daemons because the rulebook says use bases supplied with models and Daemons come with both square and circular bases. What do you think?

Well, why do you think it isn't?

Show me in the rulebook where it says "All models must be on round bases"? It doesn't. It says "Citadel miniatures are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game."

Daemons come with Square Bases, they can use them. Simple Innit

I know i guy that did this as well, so he could most of the same models for his fantasy army. And i have yet to meet anybody that has a problem with this.

Gwar! wrote:Well, why do you think it isn't?

Show me in the rulebook where it says "All models must be on round bases"? It doesn't. It says "Citadel miniatures are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game."

Daemons come with Square Bases, they can use them. Simple Innit

(deep breath) I...(shudder)...agree with Gwar...

(whisper)... I feel so dirty...

Red_Lives wrote:I know i guy that did this as well, so he could most of the same models for his fantasy army. And i have yet to meet anybody that has a problem with this.

QFT. Same situation here. Having them on square bases is no more an issue than it was when Bikes had Square bases.

Red_Lives wrote: And i have yet to meet anybody that has a problem with this.

I've come across a few.

Some object because they think the square bases just don't look as good (which is, you know, a valid reason for complaining about your opponent's army...)

Some object under the mistaken idea that it changes the number of models that can get into base contact. (It doesn't, unless both sides are on square bases)

And yeah, some people have the (also mistaken) idea that the rules for 40K require round bases.



But yeah, most players (from my experience) won't care... if they even notice.

I have a few demons on square bases so i can use then in fantasy and 40k, putting them on the round bases makes fantasy kindof impossible.

Gwar! wrote:Well, why do you think it isn't?

Show me in the rulebook where it says "All models must be on round bases"? It doesn't. It says "Citadel miniatures are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game."

Daemons come with Square Bases, they can use them. Simple Innit

Both are correct. My demons came with both bases. Use of round bases is "assumed" and you know how well that goes down on a RAW section. The demons in my head, well thats another story entirely...

OT but I use both types for my wolfletters to keep the squads separate.

I agree with GWAR! there is no stipulation on square versus round in the rules, and because those models are cross game able I can see the desire to keep them on the square bases.

I would also agree that square bases just doesn't look right in a game of 40k. War of the ring gave us a nice way to use round bases in fantasy, so I think gamers should mount them on the round bases.

But that depends on preference and which system they play more.

But from a strict RAW interpretation, there are no issues here.

Just out of interest, what size are the square bases? 25mm? And the round bases are 25mm or 28mm?

fantasy demon squares are 25mm.

not to be confused with the 20mm, 40mm, 50mm, or 25 x 50mm fantasy bases.

Shotgun wrote:fantasy demon squares are 25mm.

not to be confused with the 20mm, 40mm, 50mm, or 25 x 50mm fantasy bases.

Or the 50x100 chariot bases. Although there are daemon models which use all of those bases except the 20mm.

The old ogryns used to be supplied with square bases I am pretty sure. So did the old blood thirster and greater daemons.

Hollismason wrote:The old ogryns used to be supplied with square bases I am pretty sure. So did the old blood thirster and greater daemons.

Yep, I still have square based Ogryns, Wraithlords and WarWalkers. All original bases.

Rangerrob wrote:

Hollismason wrote:The old ogryns used to be supplied with square bases I am pretty sure. So did the old blood thirster and greater daemons.

Yep, I still have square based Ogryns, Wraithlords and WarWalkers. All original bases.

I have the same thing with my wraithlord.

On a semi-related bases note, could you mount say, an AoBR Captain on a Dreadnought base? The Dreadnought base does come with the Cap'n.

I think technically speaking not, since that's not the base it was intended for. Of course, legally speaking I probably can't use two of my Dreads...I got the bases from elsewhere, and hence did not use the ones that came with them. Dun dun dunnnnnn! Of course, one had no base to begin with...

Realistically, though, why would you want to? It would mean you could have a who ton of models in base contact with the guy. The better part of an Orc Mob if you positioned them right. The only advantage to his larger footprint would be possibly contesting objectives.

RustyKnight wrote:On a semi-related bases note, could you mount say, an AoBR Captain on a Dreadnought base? The Dreadnought base does come with the Cap'n.

Well the only time I would is if I was entering the model in a painting competition and wanted a scenic base. But then again, I probably would have him on his normal base with that incorporated into the larger base (detachable for games).

Jon Garrett wrote:
Realistically, though, why would you want to?

exiting from a transport, a larger base can give you a little extra reach. Some ork players up their nobs base size for this reason. Unit coherency is another reason, a very weak reason, but possibly beneficial.
Yes having a bigger base makes you a bigger target, but it also gives you a bigger foot print on the battle field.

According to page 3 in the main rule book, you must mount your Citadel models on the bases provided. In the case of mounting them on larger bases you will have to get the permission of your opponent to use the larger base.

Fourth Edition rules stated you could always mount your models on a larger base but never a smaller one.

In GW GTs if you are using a model as a counts as figure, it should be on the same size base as the model it represents. This is not written anywhere and is loosely enforced from experience.

I have some old metal Stealth Suits where they forgot to put bases in the blister, does that mean I shouldn't have put them on bases? Or at least didn't have to?

Mars.Techpriest wrote:I have some old metal Stealth Suits where they forgot to put bases in the blister, does that mean I shouldn't have put them on bases? Or at least didn't have to?

I think the consensus is "Mount it on the Base the Model came (or should have come) with." Otherwise people could just claim "oh, I didn't get a base" for everything. Unprovable either way, but makes the game unplayable.

I have two daemonettes which are on hexagonal bases that I'm convinced I based that way because they came with those bases, but I can't prove it any more. :( Did I just grab the wrong bases as a kid?

solkan wrote:I have two daemonettes which are on hexagonal bases that I'm convinced I based that way because they came with those bases, but I can't prove it any more. :( Did I just grab the wrong bases as a kid?

Most likely.