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HQ

"Lord Commisar" - 110
- Bolt Pistol
- Carapace Armour
- Camo Cloaks

Company Command Squad - 137
- Bolt Pistol
- Carapace Armour
- Camo Cloaks
- Regimental Standard
- Meltagun x3

TROOPS

Veteran Squad - 132
- Bolt Pistol
- Meltagun x 3
- Demolitions

Veteran Squad - 137
- Bolt Pistol
- Plasma Gun x2
- Grenade Launcher
- Grenadiers

FAST ATTACK

Scout Sentinel Squadron - 55
- 1 Scout Sentinel
- Heavy Flamer
- Camo Netting
-Smoke Launchers

Armoured Sentinel Squadron - 91
- 1 Armoured Sentinel
- Plasma Cannon
- Camo Netting
- Smoke Launchers
- Search Light

HEAVY SUPPORT

Leman Russ Squadron - 215
- 1 Leman Russ Battle Tank
- Lascannon
- Multi-melta sponsons
- Heavy Stubber
- Dozer Blade

TOTAL IS 877

You're required to take a Platoon Command Squad in order to take infantry squads and heavy weapon squads.

The reason for the flamer in the Kasrkin Squad is that my little gaming group has a lot of CC armies: we have a CC focused Chaos Army, 2 Nids, an Ork Waaagh!, (not so close combat ---&gt Eldar, Tau, Shootey Marines, and me(somewhere in between). And I'm going to play the Orks and Marines and Nids the most, so I need all the CCW I can get, although I prefer some nice meltas and plasmas personally.


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Caffran9 wrote:You're required to take a Platoon Command Squad in order to take infantry squads and heavy weapon squads.

Aww that sucks. Ummm.. I'll just have to use my CCS instead... but then I have no HQ... Uhhh.. I'll use another model as a Lord Commissar till I get one.. That works right?

You don't even have two troops....

EzeKK wrote:You don't even have two troops....

You're right, I have 5... Why did you delete that very long message you wrote about 2 hours ago? Plus I already bought all the models, I can't just "exchange" my sentinels and stuff, I already have all this stuff... Only things I don't have are the Leman Russ (I ordered) and the Kasrkin models. And even if I traded on the Swap Shop section of the website, I'm too broke (from buying my Guard stuff) to afford shipping and packaging and stuff..

Riokus wrote:

EzeKK wrote:You don't even have two troops....

You're right, I have 5... Why did you delete that very long message you wrote about 2 hours ago? Plus I already bought all the models, I can't just "exchange" my sentinels and stuff, I already have all this stuff... Only things I don't have are the Leman Russ (I ordered) and the Kasrkin models. And even if I traded on the Swap Shop section of the website, I'm too broke (from buying my Guard stuff) to afford shipping and packaging and stuff..

It was kinda useless. The thing about the 5 troops choices made me laugh, how could you run horde guard if a single platoon like yours costed you 5 slots? You couldn't. I don't even have the guard codex nor have ever played guard myself and I know that each individual option is apart of the PLATOON and the PLATOON is the one troops choice. If you already have the stuff then your kinda set on your list XD. If you are broke then try and afford some plasticard and you can make another tank from scratch. It doesn't have to be anywhere close to perfect just a sorta "proxy" till your pockets refuel.

You may have to find a Local gamer to sell something to to buy 10 more guardsmen models to meet the 1 HQ 2 infantry. Or, you could simply make the infantry squads veterans. That would probably work out MUCH better. Then your PCS could become a CCS.

If your broke also, then resort to converting lasguns etc. to your special weapons. Convert convert convert. Put a special hat on a guy or paint him shiny and say HES the leader.

I kinda realize why you have so many upgrades... to fit the points cost. You would benefit yourself to just lower the points. If you still want to try and scrounge out points, try taking a Leman Russ Executioner w/ SSPC and a HHF. That baby runs a high cost. Then take 2 Veteran squads *you keep referring to Kasarkins, well then could be another vet squad! or stormtroopers.* the vet squads should be 3x Meltas and the other 3x PG w/ Demolishions. Your CCS should also be tri-melta. PP and PS are a very poor option. They just aren't effective for points cost.

EzeKK wrote:

Riokus wrote:

EzeKK wrote:You don't even have two troops....

You're right, I have 5... Why did you delete that very long message you wrote about 2 hours ago? Plus I already bought all the models, I can't just "exchange" my sentinels and stuff, I already have all this stuff... Only things I don't have are the Leman Russ (I ordered) and the Kasrkin models. And even if I traded on the Swap Shop section of the website, I'm too broke (from buying my Guard stuff) to afford shipping and packaging and stuff..

It was kinda useless. The thing about the 5 troops choices made me laugh, how could you run horde guard if a single platoon like yours costed you 5 slots? You couldn't. I don't even have the guard codex nor have ever played guard myself and I know that each individual option is apart of the PLATOON and the PLATOON is the one troops choice. If you already have the stuff then your kinda set on your list XD. If you are broke then try and afford some plasticard and you can make another tank from scratch. It doesn't have to be anywhere close to perfect just a sorta "proxy" till your pockets refuel.

You may have to find a Local gamer to sell something to to buy 10 more guardsmen models to meet the 1 HQ 2 infantry. Or, you could simply make the infantry squads veterans. That would probably work out MUCH better. Then your PCS could become a CCS.

If your broke also, then resort to converting lasguns etc. to your special weapons. Convert convert convert. Put a special hat on a guy or paint him shiny and say HES the leader.

I kinda realize why you have so many upgrades... to fit the points cost. You would benefit yourself to just lower the points. If you still want to try and scrounge out points, try taking a Leman Russ Executioner w/ SSPC and a HHF. That baby runs a high cost. Then take 2 Veteran squads *you keep referring to Kasarkins, well then could be another vet squad! or stormtroopers.* the vet squads should be 3x Meltas and the other 3x PG w/ Demolishions. Your CCS should also be tri-melta. PP and PS are a very poor option. They just aren't effective for points cost.

How could I make the Infantry Squads veterans?
The leman russ I bought, you can only make it a battle tank, no executioner or any of the like 7 other tanks (IT SUCKS)
It's spelled demolitions
Kasrkins
I only have 2 melta guns, and the models are already built, and im not cutting them apart after they are already glued, primed, based and some are slightly painted. And one of the meltas is in the infantry squad, so I don't feel like exchanging him with some other guy. Basically its too complicated.. Thanks for the advice tho
Once again already built with PP and PS, and either way, what would you say i change it to? Bolt pistols? I thought my army list was decent, but I need to revise a lot. Once again thanks for the comments, i'll see what I can do. I'll start revising now.

What should I change my Lord Commissar's weapons to? He's already built. (he's not a real commissar, he's a commander who I say is a commissar.

I would say powerfist, but if he's built with a PW then keep him. I deleted some of Demolitions and then tried to re-spell it and didn't catch that error lol.

To make an infantry squad into a vet squad you just call it a vet squad. Thats it. All they need is just special weapons which can be made out of lasguns.

To make a meltagun out of a lasgun you cut off the power pack, cut off the barrel, make a cylinder out of putty and punch holes in it and attach it to the front of the lasgun.

A PS could just be a decoration or a CCW. The PP could be cut off or if you want it keep it it doesn't matter that much.

For the tank, with some creative conversion work you can make up some weird barrel looking thing and call it that weapon you want it to be.

Yeah one problem... I have no putty... Yay for me
And I have no plasma guns, once again I have only 2, and I have no demo charge (although I have a bit that might work).Thanks a lot dude, I'll edit the army list right now.
There I think that's better. I'll start revising the models tomorrow, first I want to continue this discussion so I make no mistakes and the models are the best they can be.

Riokus wrote:Yeah one problem... I have no putty... Yay for me
And I have no plasma guns, once again I have only 2, and I have no demo charge (although I have a bit that might work).Thanks a lot dude, I'll edit the army list right now.

Putty should be dirt cheap about anywhere. Modeling clay anything. Doubt it would bring you over 5$. Demo charges could be made by putty and so could plasma. By maybe adding some bits to the gun and changing it's look a bit you got yourself your own armies version of a special weapon! Grenade Launchers would also be a good choice instead of plasma for risk of overheating! Just another suggestion.

Demo charge, you could make it a stick of dynamite or even just a flat saucer-shaped object with a tiny cap on it then a handle. Then your good!

EzeKK wrote:

Riokus wrote:Yeah one problem... I have no putty... Yay for me
And I have no plasma guns, once again I have only 2, and I have no demo charge (although I have a bit that might work).Thanks a lot dude, I'll edit the army list right now.

Putty should be dirt cheap about anywhere. Modeling clay anything. Doubt it would bring you over 5$. Demo charges could be made by putty and so could plasma. By maybe adding some bits to the gun and changing it's look a bit you got yourself your own armies version of a special weapon! Grenade Launchers would also be a good choice instead of plasma for risk of overheating! Just another suggestion.

Demo charge, you could make it a stick of dynamite or even just a flat saucer-shaped object with a tiny cap on it then a handle. Then your good!

Lol thanks a lot dude you're the man. I have a bit i'm using for a demo charge, it comes with the heavy weapons squads, its for the lascannon. It looks amazing and is just like a demo charge. Putty, I'll look for. Grenade launchers... hmmm... A) Look ugly as HELL! (uglier than a nurgle / slaanesh spawn) B) They aren't that great.. C) I have like 20. D) I have more of those than plasma guns. Yea I'll use two grenades (converted) and one plasma.. Editing......

Looking much better! I think grenadiers gives you a 4+ save so giving the PG squad that might help their survivability. Just a thought.

If you have already modeled the HWS run them like: ML ML LC : ML HB HB

this way the one squad is anti-tank the other anti-infantry. What is a Catachan scout biker? LR Punishers are also icky. I would go with one of these tanks:

Eradicator, executioner, battlecannon, demolisher.

I'll change it to grenadiers for the PG squad.

A Catachan Scout Biker has the same stats as a SM scout biker. Converted it xD

Punishers can shoot 20 times if they don't move.. Talk about anti-infantry (OR ANTI-TANK EVEN). They're amazing. I'll look into it tho. I'll probably do a Battle Cannon because it's the easiest (no converting) and it is actually pretty sweet.

Riokus wrote: I'll change it to grenadiers for the PG squad.

A Catachan Scout Biker has the same stats as a SM scout biker. Converted it xD

Punishers can shoot 20 times if they don't move.. Talk about anti-infantry (OR ANTI-TANK EVEN). They're amazing. I'll look into it tho. I'll probably do a Battle Cannon because it's the easiest (no converting) and it is actually pretty sweet.

Think about demo even. The problem with the Punisher is that it allows armor saves and it has to get close to hurt things. At that points the tank can't really take down even rhinos well (maybe one but not 2-3) and then will get meltad to death the subsequent turn. If a demolisher cannon hits you, you're done ST10 AP2 Ordanance, it crushes everything beneath it's heels.

Right... Uhh, yea I'll do that hehe... I just need to make one more melta, and I got my plasmas and( + = ) grenade launcher.. I cut off the power line thing for the PS so ( + = ) it counts as a sword, I replaced all but one of the plasma pistols into bolt pistols, I have the demo charge, I'm planning on getting greenstuff to mold carapace armour ( I have a really( + + + = ) good idea) and camo cloaks. I'll also probably edit the Meltas because they are ugly as hell!!! Cheers- Riokus

Well, you can't "induct" spacemarines into your army randomly so you're either going to have to get some more and make them "rough riders" (which suck ) or just make it a objective / pretty piece.

Yeah you can. Read the rule book, it states clearly that you can combine armies and etc. Although most players play one army. Therefore I can, and he's not Space Marine, he just has the same stats.

Have you ever played a game of 5th ed with guard? Or are you just playing with what you have regardless....

Also the list above isnt even close to being legal dude.

Do you own the codex at all?

jp400 wrote:Have you ever played a game of 5th ed with guard? Or are you just playing with what you have regardless....

Also the list above isnt even close to being legal dude.

Do you own the codex at all?

I have played. It is legal. I own the Codex.

Riokus wrote:HQ

"Lord Commisar" - 110
- Bolt Pistol
- Carapace Armour
- Camo Cloaks

Company Command Squad - 137
- Bolt Pistol
- Carapace Armour
- Camo Cloaks
- Regimental Standard
- Meltagun x3

TROOPS

Veteran Squad - 132
- Bolt Pistol
- Meltagun x 3
- Demolitions

Veteran Squad - 137
- Bolt Pistol
- Plasma Gun x2
- Grenade Launcher
- Grenadiers

Heavy Weapons Squad - 80
- Missile Launcher
- Heavy Bolter
- Heavy Bolter
- Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapons Squad - 95
- Missile Launcher
- Missile Launcher
- Lascannon
- Krak Grenades

FAST ATTACK

Scout Sentinel Squadron - 55
- 1 Scout Sentinel
- Heavy Flamer
- Camo Netting
-Smoke Launchers

Armoured Sentinel Squadron - 91
- 1 Armoured Sentinel
- Plasma Cannon
- Camo Netting
- Smoke Launchers
- Search Light

Catachan Scout Biker - (SM Scout Biker) I can haz point value??
- Twin Linked Bolters

HEAVY SUPPORT

Leman Russ Squadron - 230/280
- 1 Leman Russ Battle Tank or Punisher
- Lascannon
- Multi-melta sponsons
- Stormbolter
- Extra Armour
- Dozer Blade

TOTAL IS 1097

The above is not legal re-read the codex...

Heavy weapon squads do not count as individual troops. You must field them in a Infantry Platoon. In order to take them you must have at a MIN 1 platoon command squad and 2 infantry squads. Once this is met you can then field 0-5 HWS.

Look at the * symbol and read what it says....

"Note that the units on these two pages CANNOT be chosen individually- only as part of an infantry platoon."

The Vet Squads that you have in your troops section do not count. Therefore, your list in null and invalid until you change the above to meet the requirements set in the codex.

I ask if you have played any 5th edition cause your army list suggests otherwise. You have so many points wasted on.... junk its just plain horrible.

Nades on Heavy Weapon Teams..... Really?
Dozer Blades, Stormbolters, and EA on tanks..... Really?
Wargear that costs more then the platform in the Ar Set..... Really?
Camo Cloaks and Cara on peeps............. Really?
Mixed weapons/wargear on squads...........Really?
*Make your squads dedicated or dont take em!*

As you can see, your list needs a ground up overhaul. I suggest you do it after you read up on some IG armylist help On dakka.

Also please point to the page in the IG Codex that says I can take a SM Scout bike Squad.

Riokus wrote:Yeah you can. Read the rule book, it states clearly that you can combine armies and etc. Although most players play one army. Therefore I can, and he's not Space Marine, he just has the same stats.

What?! Only Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters can induct SM and Guardsmen and SM and Guardsmen can take Witch Hunter and Daemonhunter allies but other than that no....

jp400 also brings up a lot of other good points. Going to 750 if not 500ish is the best option.

EzeKK wrote:

Riokus wrote:Yeah you can. Read the rule book, it states clearly that you can combine armies and etc. Although most players play one army. Therefore I can, and he's not Space Marine, he just has the same stats.

What?! Only Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters can induct SM and Guardsmen and SM and Guardsmen can take Witch Hunter and Daemonhunter allies but other than that no.

Yup.

Just because its in the fluff doesnt make it a rule. Your "Counts as" bike in its current form is Illegal and needs to be removed.

Gawsh haw rewd!!

I'll work on it.

""As you can see, your list needs a ground up overhaul. I suggest you do it after you read up on some IG armylist help On dakka."" Can you please point it out?

Hey guys, he's clearly a newbie (unlike me whos been playing since 1970 ) when I was 6. You don't need to be mean to him! Riokus, you are pretty good for your amount of time wargaming. (I don't appreciate you stealing my name and putting it backwards, which you obviously got from Dawn Of War..but even so, these guys are harsh) I just joined DakkaDakka, but even so, you guys are very mean to this wargamer. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Plus, EzeKK, you gave him suggestions, and when jp400 came along, you started killing your own argument, why is that? Do you think that jp400 is superior, and you don't want to show that you agreed with Riokus here? jp400, please read the ENTIRE thread, before you start thinking that EzeKK is on your side, considering that he advised Riokus on everything on his armylist (pretty much). Thank you, (P.S. Riokus, I don't appreciate you stealing my name and putting it backwards.) from Sukoir.

lol

Here is an Idea...

Dont create a account pretending to be someone else to make yourself look good.

Obvious Poster Is Obvious

Sukoir wrote:Hey guys, he's clearly a newbie (unlike me whos been playing since 1970 ) when I was 6. You don't need to be mean to him! Riokus, you are pretty good for your amount of time wargaming. (I don't appreciate you stealing my name and putting it backwards, which you obviously got from Dawn Of War..but even so, these guys are harsh) I just joined DakkaDakka, but even so, you guys are very mean to this wargamer. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Plus, EzeKK, you gave him suggestions, and when jp400 came along, you started killing your own argument, why is that? Do you think that jp400 is superior, and you don't want to show that you agreed with Riokus here? jp400, please read the ENTIRE thread, before you start thinking that EzeKK is on your side, considering that he advised Riokus on everything on his armylist (pretty much). Thank you, (P.S. Riokus, I don't appreciate you stealing my name and putting it backwards.) from Sukoir.

Here's the part where you get banned.

Modquisition on: switching identities to attack a poster is strictly verbotten. I am banning this persona with review by lego burner in case I'm completely wrong. Gentlemen the shadow account has been banned and the original poster suspended. Typically we ban people for doing this, but because of the newness of the poster, he was only suspended. It is well advised for everyone not to do this.

EDIT: by specific request of JP400, I've reduced the suspension to a minimum three days.

Sukoir wrote:Hey guys, he's clearly a newbie (unlike me whos been playing since 1970 ) when I was 6. You don't need to be mean to him! Riokus, you are pretty good for your amount of time wargaming. (I don't appreciate you stealing my name and putting it backwards, which you obviously got from Dawn Of War..but even so, these guys are harsh) I just joined DakkaDakka, but even so, you guys are very mean to this wargamer. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Plus, EzeKK, you gave him suggestions, and when jp400 came along, you started killing your own argument, why is that? Do you think that jp400 is superior, and you don't want to show that you agreed with Riokus here? jp400, please read the ENTIRE thread, before you start thinking that EzeKK is on your side, considering that he advised Riokus on everything on his armylist (pretty much). Thank you, (P.S. Riokus, I don't appreciate you stealing my name and putting it backwards.) from Sukoir.

I haven't killed my own arguments, at the beginning you (lol) said that you had these models and no more to buy. I thought the nades were standard on guardsmen so didn't comment. I advise always running tanks naked with a HHF. I mentioned that you were spending to much on upgrades. I never really noticed the Camo + carapace. I tried to get you to run autocannon HW squads just for the focus fire / non-mixed. Because you can't buy more I just suggested making the HWS more viable and fit into roles *aka lascannon one for anti-tank HB one for anti-infantry*. I thought you could take HWS as heavy support or something so I didn't really notice that. That was what jp was saying to do.

Also, I don't even own C: IG so just base my suggestions on what I know about solid guards lists. I would have advised (if you haven't had made this or have been broke) to run it all in Chimeras or Valks because mechanized is the only way to go 5E really. jp is right about everything, but you can only use what you have / can get so you really can't do to much reworking and thats what I was trying to help you with.

I still advise to run a lot of things cheaper to fit into the 750 category and give yourself a chance. jp is right about the overhaul if you want to be competitive / have a better list, and a lot of this forum is dedicated truthfully to helping people make Metagame lists and yours would need to be completely changed to be metagame.