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Which of these two do you prefer.

List 1.

HQ
CCS-4xMelta's (Rides in Vendetta) (90)

ELITES
DH- Inquisitor, 2x Mystics (32)

TROOPS
Vet Squad- 3xFlamer, Demolitions (Rides in Vendetta) (115)
Vet Squad- 3xMelta, Chimera, ML, HHF (155)
Vet Squad- 3xMelta, Chimera, ML, HHF (155)
Vet Squad- 3xMelta, Chimera, ML, HHF (155)
Vet Squad- 3x Plasma, AC, Harker (180)

FAST ATTACK
Vendetta (130)
Vendetta (130)

HEAVY SUPPORT
LRBT, HHB (150)
LR Demolisher, HHB, Sponson Plasma Cannons (205)

This comes out to 1497.


List 2.


HQ
CCS-4xMelta's (Rides in Vendetta) (90)

ELITES
DH- Inquisitor, 2x Mystics, Hood (52)

TROOPS
Vet Squad- 3xFlamer, Demolitions (Rides in Vendetta) (115)
Vet Squad- 3xMelta, Chimera, ML, HHF (155)
Vet Squad- 3xMelta, Chimera, ML, HHF (155)
Vet Squad- 3xMelta, Chimera, ML, HHF (155)
Vet Squad- 3xMelta, Chimera, ML, HHF (155)

FAST ATTACK
Vendetta (130)
Vendetta (130)

HEAVY SUPPORT
LRBT, HHB (150)
LR Demolisher, HHB, Sponson Plasma Cannons (205)


This one comes out to 1492

Which do you this is a stronger list, and if you would make any changes to them, which and why?

LR Punishers suck. Your tanks need HHF.

EzeKK wrote:LR Punishers suck. Your tanks need HHF.

What would you suggest? LRBT? Vanquisher?

bebe-paquito wrote:

EzeKK wrote:LR Punishers suck. Your tanks need HHF.

What would you suggest? LRBT? Vanquisher?

Maybe an LRBT... Your Punisher was for Anti Horde right? Big pie plate at long range should be good and I think you have extra points for HB sponsons maybe?

The Punisher is very underwhelming when you run the numbers. It looks cool in theory though (heavy 20 is a big number). with BS3 though, you only hit 10 times, and then against T4 models you only wound about 6-7 times. Against marines, that is 2 dead marines.

I would trade the Punisher for an Executioner. You seem a bit light on weapons that really do damage to heavy infantry and the Executioner is the best choice available for that role.

I also don't think you need the second CCS and it would be better served as sponson plasma cannons for both russes and a DH IQ/2x Mystics. The IQ/Mystics is important because it keeps you safe from deepstirking meltas and the like. It also makes matches against Daemons into simple games to win.

To deal with hordes, try running hull heavy flamers on your Chimeras and Russes. Hordes have to close in on you to try and win, and you can completely turn that idea against them when they run into a wall of armored heavy flamers.

If your gonna use punisher you cant half ass it get 3 heavy bolters on it too and Pask. Though and Executioner does it's job better.

Caffran9 wrote:The Punisher is very underwhelming when you run the numbers. It looks cool in theory though (heavy 20 is a big number). with BS3 though, you only hit 10 times, and then against T4 models you only wound about 6-7 times. Against marines, that is 2 dead marines.

I would trade the Punisher for an Executioner. You seem a bit light on weapons that really do damage to heavy infantry and the Executioner is the best choice available for that role.

I also don't think you need the second CCS and it would be better served as sponson plasma cannons for both russes and a DH IQ/2x Mystics. The IQ/Mystics is important because it keeps you safe from deepstirking meltas and the like. It also makes matches against Daemons into simple games to win.

To deal with hordes, try running hull heavy flamers on your Chimeras and Russes. Hordes have to close in on you to try and win, and you can completely turn that idea against them when they run into a wall of armored heavy flamers.

Basically exactly what I was going to say.. =)

Something that may put rambo in perspective for you..

Is 65 pts worth 1 well aimed large blast?

That's pretty much all he did in my playtesting, I'm not saying he is or is not worth it, but I am saying he pretty much a very well aimed str 8 ap 2 LB. After that he has either tried to assault some tanks (sometimes successful other times not) or has become a free KP.

Now my personal opinion, if I make a big list (1500+) and have almost exactly 65pts left, I would consider taking him otherwise I wouldnt.

Modified the list, came up with 2 new ones. Which do you believe to be the stronger list?

First one, but only because the Hood is a complete waste of points on an LD8 IQ.

I really wish your Russes had sponsons. I also really wish one of the Russes was an Executioner.

Personally, I would take the first list and drop the hood and a Vet squad (the one without the Chimera is fine) to upgrade the LRBT to an Executioner and then get sponson Plasma Cannons for both tanks. At that point it will look almost identical to my 1500pt list (the only difference being that I drop another vet squad for a PBS in a Chimera since Nob Bikes won't die in my area).

Maybe get a Hydra or two? Aside from being pretty nice in game terms, the metagame seems to be such that you can benefit from being able to punch down skimmers.

Why are you mixing melta (anti-tank) with TL-lascannons (anti-tank)? I dont get it? Why would you bother grav-dropping the melta guys instead of shooting those lascannons. Most lists (yours included) could make good use from a MRP valkyrie.

Marbo can be very awesome. Simply infiltrating, chucking a demo charge then letting him die is not a way to play him effectively. He has lots of potential, a good way to fill a spare 65pts.

ML's & meltas? Your wasting 15pts on weapons you wont use as you'll be trying to get within range for your 30pts worth of melta weaponary? If you want the possibility of ranged support, drop all your ML's & pickup just two lascannons.

A stock-standard demolisher doesnt come to 205pts, did you forget to include the Plasma cannon sponsons?

Otherwise.. I prefer the first list with harker in it. Infiltrating plasma guns should be very scary to any player.

Meltas and Lascannons have two completely separate roles in the mech vet army.

Never grav chute deploy, no reason to. IF you are facing signifigant AV 14 then drop the meltas prior to movement, and back up with the vendi to pop a transport.

Vendettas kill transports, dreds, MCs,

Meltas kill AV14

The Valkyrie is a great unit, but its the third Valk hull you choose, not the first. At 1500 I agree with his choice to run two 'dettas . If you go up to 1850, step one is to add a Pod Valk

Razerous wrote:Why are you mixing melta (anti-tank) with TL-lascannons (anti-tank)? I dont get it? Why would you bother grav-dropping the melta guys instead of shooting those lascannons. Most lists (yours included) could make good use from a MRP valkyrie.

Marbo can be very awesome. Simply infiltrating, chucking a demo charge then letting him die is not a way to play him effectively. He has lots of potential, a good way to fill a spare 65pts.

Yeah, I like the guy, I just ran out of points when I re-did my lists.

Razerous wrote:
ML's & meltas? Your wasting 15pts on weapons you wont use as you'll be trying to get within range for your 30pts worth of melta weaponary? If you want the possibility of ranged support, drop all your ML's & pickup just two lascannons.

Are you Talking about the Chimera's? ML = Multi-laser, not Missile Launchers.

Razerous wrote:
A stock-standard demolisher doesnt come to 205pts, did you forget to include the Plasma cannon sponsons?

Otherwise.. I prefer the first list with harker in it. Infiltrating plasma guns should be very scary to any player.

Yeah, I forgot to add the Plasma Sponsons.

2nd by far