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Fallen Angels was ace, I really like how it pretty much eliminated, for me, any doubts of The Lion being a traitor, which you kinda get hinted at in Gav Thorpes 'Angels of Darkness'.

the novel is key to understanding The Lions psychology towards the whole situation...it is also a turning point in something the Astelan picks on in 'Angels of Darkness'.

That ending in 'Fallen Angels' is fantastic, because it really does make you think, ok, Lion, you are a damn cool dude, but you will always take an opportunity to blow your own trumpet...and in doing so, well, that can be one of your flaws.

Mike Lee did a great job.

I wanna write the next DA HH novel


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H.B.M.C. wrote:So what are the Watchers in the Dark for? So Cypher is evil?

Cypher is a dude...he is working with what he has...and not alot of people know what persuasion he's of...then again with the impending doom of the bombing of caliban to come...he could quite easily succumb to chaos ways...but for now, and I think forever he is on a quest to reinvigorate the legendary DA's reputation.

I love the DA's beccause they are just bloody excellent...I ploughed thru this book in 3 days because I was so excited about the Legion I've been with since 1990

So what does everyone make of the Lion?


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cadbren wrote:I think there will be another book as the story is not finished. I was told recently that the HH books are divided up into story arcs and each arc has its own colour, the coloured strip at the top of the spine. I wonder if BL even knows how many HH books there will be, the books so far have really only covered the beginning of the heresy.

Is Luther corrupted by chaos or not?

I think Luther is so weak of will after being rejected by the Lion, that he believes, as horus did, that he could control chaos. Sadly he has become a deluded fool, that ccan only be a servant of the Primordial Annihilator

So yes, I think Luther does become corrupted because it's kind of his only challenging endeavour whilst back on Caliban...through thinking he has a handle on Ouborous (a deamon of Khorne) he slips...tho i'm not sure his will becomes a servant straight away...but I think the hints lie in the ending of the book where Zahariel wakes up after pretty much being dead...and also he wakes up 8months to the day after the events took place...as is said in the novel Zahariel knows in some way the number 8 seems significant but can't remember why...well we all know why don't we, the number 8 is the sacred number assigned to anything Khorne.

Luthers flaw is that he reverts to putting his efforts into a sorely misunderstood personal conquest and not the greater picture, as the Lion has dedicated himself to when his father turned up on caliban.
As a result I do believe Luther becomes corrupted not only by his 'needs' and 'wants' for himself but also eventually by the forces of Chaos that have lurked underneath Caliban since the planet was formed.

I can imagine how he must feel...I mean having some age-old daemon answer as mere a question as 'What is your name?' must have made him nearly gak in his breeches with excitement, I imagine he felt abit like Jade Goody did when she left the Big Brother house...

Luther: 'Now the Daemon has aknowledged me, the world is my oyster' .......... oh dear ............ he deserves a proper bitch slap

Jade Goody: 'Now the media has noticed me, the world is my dog'

I've started a short story on the consecrators chapter

Miss Dee wrote:just got Fallen Angels

I hope you enjoy it! It really is a great novel!

R

Shaman wrote:I think its funny every DA fan was so upset by about angels if darkness (jonsons a traitor nooo!)..


Because believing that book is like believing a fallen.. Of course hes gonna justify himself. Just like all traitors and criminals.

Glad this book sounds good. May pick it up in the future.

Hmm I wouldn't go as far to say that EVERY DA fan was upset about it...

The thing to remember with Angels of Darkness is that its more of a Character profile on one of the Fallen, as opposed to an account of events pre, during or post-heresy...

Astelan's angle in that particular novel is pretty damn cool as it is, because it brings to light how some of the pre-primarch legion members felt about the primarch being found. So it's got an interesting argument. It's not as straight up-and-down as one would think...and I for one certainly developed a certain sympathy for how Astelan felt about things.

I'd emplore you to read Fallen Angels, as Astelan features quite heavily in this book too, and it'll bring to light a few more things...Astelans angle in this particular novel is less potent but still very important. As is the Lion's himself...it really does do a great job of establishing the Primarch.

Happy reading

Flachzange wrote:

Savnock wrote:
I also wonder about the 8 months' unconsciousness being significant. I thought Khorne too, but I don't know... maybe the 8 has something to do with the Ouroborous symbol?

Also, there are two tie-ins with Legion: the Watchers being part of (or at least in league with) the alien anti-chaos cabal; and the Oroborous (which is the nature of the chaos creature they face at the end, and possibly has some wider significance for Chaos itself).

Overall, I'm just really happy that the quality of the HH series has been restored by this book. The previous DA book by Mitchell Scanlon was terribly written, with awful dialogue, cardboard characters, and not enough connection to the rest of the 40K story for an HH novel.

I dont think it was a Khorne reference really. The demon they faced seemed to be more of a nurgle kind of guy. Raising corpses and worm-like things isnt really a khorne trait.

Overall, I liked the book and devoured it in just a bout a day and a half. I love the DA fluff.
However, I was kind of disappointed that it seems to be all black and white now. Yes, Luther doesnt like the emperor, yes Johnson is loyal. It just seems too simple, considering all the speculations with the fallen and such. I dont know, maybe things will get twisted a bit more in the future. I would especially like some more cabal action concerning the DA´s. They did well with the Alpha Legion.

I really am of a firm belief that it was a Khorne related daemon...all the ref's towards the slaughter...and following how things escalate the more they kill etc etc...it's totally Khorne lol... oh and the 8's...it's all about the 8's :-)

Flachzange wrote:Well, the escalation isnt really a khorne thing either. It is well known that powerful demons demand a huge sacrifice to attract their attention and free them from their eternal prisons or whatever. So no matter the chaos god, each demon has to be given a sacrifice. So youll need to kill plenty to get it done.

Khorne however, is not in the business of raising corpses that advance slowly while getting cut down. Hes all about the "get there fast and rip their heads of".....

Doenst really matter though. If it was a suppose to be a reference to a certain chaos god, Im sure we will hear about it one of these days.

I just query the whole significance of '8' though...

Why put it in? Ourborous is also serpentine which isn't a particular feat of Khorne...it's more a feat of Slaanesh. That aside, perhaps it's just another revelation that the HH series is now disclosing, thus rendering all that we thought we knew, obsolete lol

Or perhaps it's something to do with the deciever, which Cypher fights many years down the line...it can appear as anything...

hmmmmmmmm

Miss Dee wrote:stop giving me information deeper in the book.

no

v.true...spoilers ahoy! :-)

Ace! What do you make of Jonson dee?

yes I agree, his presence in that novel is almost cameo at best lol