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Company Command Sq.
Officer of the Fleet
Astropath
4 MeltaGuns
Krak Gernades
Chimera
Heavy Flamer- Hull

Inquisitor
combi flamer
2 mystics

Psyker Battle Squad (9+1)
9 Psykers
Chimera
Heavy Flamer - Hull
Camo netting


Veteran Sq
3 MeltaGun
Auto Cannon
Chimera
Heavy Flamer- Hull

Veteran Sq
3 MeltaGun
Auto Cannon
Chimera
Heavy Flamer - Hull

Sisters of Battle (10)
Sister Supeior
Eviserator
Book of St. Lucius
MeltaGun
Flamer

Sisters of Battle (10)
Sister Superior
Eviserator
Book of St. Lucius
MeltaGun
Flamer


Valk (2)
Missile Pods
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
(carries Sisters of Battle units)

Banewolf (2)
MultiMelta
Smoke Launchers

Lemann Russ BT (2)
Hull Lascannon

Lemann Russ Demolisher (2)
Hull Lascannon

Hydra Flak Tank Battery (2)




2500 on the dot

Not enough meat to the list. You need more troops. 40 T3 scoring units doesn't do well at this point level. Even if 20 of them have 3+ armor. And why take creed if your only taking 2 units of vets. your paying to give out 4 orders a turn but even have 4 units to order around. Just my initial impressions.

I have played this list a few times and it has done very well. Creed is capable of giving 4 orders and I have 4 units to receive them (the sisters can receive orders too!; For the Honor of Cadia and Faith is a very nice combo...), and creed can allow either a banewolf or russ squadron to outflank. The list has a lot of punch and most portions of the list are capable of handling both horde and meq aspects. Which prevents it from becoming crippled if for example someone was to target all the meq destruction or all the anti horde. I agree 40 T3 dudes and chicks doesn't seem like a lot but if you turtle them in vehicles and use reserves then they will last. Banewolfs are highly capable of burning units off objectives and 4 battle cannons will hurt even marines in cover. They are also fairly effective against Nob bikers. The purpose of the list is to force the opponent to move as I want them to move, my group is designed to split up (Russ, Wolfs Vets) with Creed offering support while the sisters outflank. Depending on the scenario and opponent setup, a Russ unit or Banewolf unit will also outflank. Vets are for close objective capture, and can offer ranged support with Auto-Cannon once settled, while still zapping anything that gets close with Meltaguns.


Please keep the comments/critiques coming!

You're army doesn't really do anything well. It looks like it's trying to do too much and this results in it failing in most areas....would give specfics but am really tired; maybe later.

colonel584 wrote:You're army doesn't really do anything well. It looks like it's trying to do too much and this results in it failing in most areas....would give specfics but am really tired; maybe later.

yeah going to have to disagree with you there, I have played a number of games with this list and it kills tanks, and meq and just about anything else fairly reliably. Including 20 man Nurgle squads, and Land Raiders. Its current battle score is 3 wins and 2 ties. If you have specific reasons why the list doesn't perform please share

I see nob bikers giving this list a hard time (which they are going to do to just about any list).

Your never gonna force most people to move the way you want them to with a list like this. Most mobile armies will laugh and shift faster than you do, firing as they go and eliminating your mobility as they do. How many vehicles were in the armies that you reliably killed? What kind of lists?

Your 40 troop models are inside 4 squishy transports. Anyone concentrates on them and your done. You have no real ranged anti-tank which means you have to get close to even pop things like wave serpents and devilfish. 2 Auto-cannons won't kill enemy transports. The list does lack focus. Your battle record is less than impressive if your running up against 20 man nurgle squads since that's just a silly unit to take in general.

By all means take it and let us know how it goes but even if you take your first round (always possible as it is in an area that you know against people you know) your gonna need to change it at regionals. To many good players will be there to run a list like this.

This list just lacks any hitting power. Those Russes will get shreaded in Squadrens and your Sisters and vets picked apart lacking lots of support and ranged hitting power. The Banewolves will get destoryed before ever making it close enough to use there weapons and in such bulk they are just compleltly wasted points I just don't see where the hammer in this list is. What is going to win the game in 2500 there? I see a whole alot of nothing mostly.

Hulksmash wrote:How many vehicles were in the armies that you reliably killed? What kind of lists?

Chaos List - Win

Lash Sorceror
Kharn
Khorne Berzerkers
Khorne Berzerkers
Terminator Squad
Vindicator
Rhino with Plague Marines
Rhino with Plague Marines
Land Raider (with KB inside)
Land Raider (with KB inside)

Space Marine - Win

Drop pod army

Vulkan
Sternguard
Sternguard
Tactical Squad
Tactical Squad
Tactical Squad
Tactical Squad
Land Speeder HF/MM
Land Speeder HF/MM
Land Speeder HF/MM

Space Marine - Tie

Pedro Cantor
SternGuard
Vanguard
Vindicator
Land Raider
Land Raider
Term assault squad (10 man)
Inquisitor with Null rod in term armor
Chaplain in term armor
Tactical Squad in Rhino
Tactical Squad in Rhino

Chaos Space Marines - Win

2 Lash Sorcerors
Death Guard in Rhino
Death Guard in Rhino
Death Guard in Rhino
Death Guard in Rhino
Obilit Unit
Obilit Unit
Defiler


Tau - Tie

Fire Wariors in Devilfish
Fire Warrior in Devilfish
Fire Warrior in Devilfish
Commander with Fusion blaster and Plasma Rifle
Piranha with Fusion Blaster
Piranha with Fusion Blaster
Piranha with Fusion Blaster
Sky Ray
Hammer head with Rail gun
Kroot warriors and hounds
stealth suit unit
stealth suit unit
Hammer head with plasma cannon?


If you have a better suggestion rather than just negative feedback I would love to hear it, but so far I have only heard 'this list won't work' when in fact it works very well.

4 Multi Meltas, 12 melta guns, 4 Battle Cannons, 4 Lascannons doesn't make for poor anti tank
4 chem cannons, 4 battle cannons, 4 missile pods, 4 heavy bolters, 4 multi lasers, 2 auto cannons, 3 heavy flamers, 2 flamers and 14 bolters doesn't make poor anti troop.


Please enlighten me, show me what won't work and site why, or better yet make a suggestion as to what could/should be replaced

We have pointed out that it lacks troops. It does. I've pointed out several issues with mobility and your ability to stay mobile. Your not willing to listen to what people say about what is wrong with your list. The weapons you posted above sound impressive till they are only in so many units that have to fire at the same target.

-Drop Creed
-Drop Carapace
-Drop Krak Grenades
-Drop the heavy bolter sponsons on the valks (they'll never unless you don't move the vehicle)
-Drop a banewolf or two
-Get 2 more mounted squads of vets to increase your total troop count

That will actually help with most of your problems but you still don't have enough of a casing around those soft troops. It's to easy to neutralize your mobility. Most players will be running heavy on the melta's this year and more than a few have opted to start taking lascannons and more auto-cannons to pop transports. Your list will suffer in the larger meta-game.

But like I said, it'll probably work for your round one if the people in your area bring lists like the ones you described. So good luck and let us know how it goes.

Drop the carapace and all grenades and drop the Lascannon from the LRBT and make them Demolishers with heavy flamer hulls.

Why not have Grey Knights riding in Valks? Even GKT. God that combo is nasty! Right now they would be better off either making a suicide squad ride the valks or just make them into Rhinos for the sisters for supporting your ground units. The CCS seems over-upgraded ATM. It's a lot of points it looks like.

Truthfully it's unimpressive to just shout off wins because we don't know if the players suck or not. This lists problem is that it's small. Like Hulk was saying more vets would help you to really make your force bigger and do better. I think that the valks should be vendetta fire support if anything just because valks are better Alphastrike and your lists doesn't have enough to be an alphastrike.

Hulk actually has what you should probably do and I would be taking devildogs over banewolfs 100%.

Dropping Creed and carapace is not a tough decision, nor is dropping the carapace.

I don't run GK because for roughly the same amount of points you get half of the model count as sisters, and GKT can't ride in Valks.

Losing 2 Banewolves (as an example) and replacing it with 2 vets in chimeras (after also losing Creed), might be a good option but as you said many are going to bring melta/las and chimeras are much more vulnerable than the BaneWolves, still its worth looking into and trying a game or two specc'd as you said.

Mobile armies are always tough, my main army is mech eldar. But I also know that if I try to bring a knife to a gun fight I am screwed, better to take the pistol even if your opponent has the rifle.

My comment on games was an answer to another's question, they asked what kind of list, I cited examples. My statement that there were wins is based on fact and what I have to go by. Maybe those players are all top notch, maybe not, doesn't that go for just about anyone who claims to be in the know as to what armies work/don't work, or any player at a tourney (just because they go to the tourney doesn't mean they are awesome!)?

I think we all know that the proof is in the puddin (to quote a friend of mine) and the only way to know if the list works is to play it. I am always willing to listen to suggestions, just not offhand comments without something substantial to back it up (read as 'a suggestion'), because anyone can say 'it won't work'. Recently I have gotten quite good feedback and I thank the Dakka community for their assistance

Hulksmash, thank you for your suggestions I will try a few games taking into consideration what you posted

I think your army has a lot of anti meq/armor and some good close range anti horde.

I think your army lacks what most guard armies have which is a large infantry backbone. You can't suffer many casualties before your scoring units are gone.

Honestly I would consider picking up a master of the fleet advisor.

Your army is mech but with little infantry in that mech, so slowing your opponents roll up on your scoring units by DS/Outflank I think would be very valuable.

Honestly I think your list will become exponentially more powerful with a master of the fleet versus any army that uses lots of reserve rolls, simply because your army is very specialized and you would be able to focus that on fewer targets more effectively while at the same time potentially allowing them less focus on your limited units.

I speak of limits only in terms of guard, obviously 4 mech units of marines is a good deal, but for guard its not many bodies on the table, even with the Sisters of battle, 3+ armor is hot but t3 is not.

I have been considering the MotF, but my concern is that my opponent comes on after I do allowing them to react to my positions. Still the idea of keeping them in reserve while I engage them with my own forces is appealing.

I don't think you really have enough units to kill tanks. Sure there's the models, but they're all sequestered, and the sisters have to get out to do anything.


None of those armies really had more than 4 transports in them, and the ones that did carried rather weak units like khorne berserkers.

Try fighting against 8 transports and 3 heavy tanks, or 12 transports and 9 medusas in some other guard army.

Changed the list up a little, let me know what you think. Dropped a unit of Banewolves for Inquisitor with Mystics, Demolisher upgrade on one unit of BT, and a squadron of Hydras. In addition I dropped Creed and put in a Psyker battle Squad.