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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 05:32:01
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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The requirement to include Green Dam pr0n blocking/political censorship software has been indefinitely delayed.
The Chinese government had required it be packaged with every computer sold in China by July 1, they backed down at 8:30 pm on June 30.
Of course this is only a delay, not a surrender but it shows there is hope here.
They should never had messed with our pr0n.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-doctoroff/chinas-digital-green-dam_b_223535.html
China's Digital Green Dam: The Party Capitulates
The Chinese central government's decision to delay the "mandatory installation" of the "Green Dam Youth Escort" filtering software on new computers, announced yesterday by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT), highlights an evolving relationship between the Communist Party and the Chinese people. Despite being light years from introducing dramatic, multi-party political reform, it is increasingly small-d "democratic" (i.e., responsive) vis-a-vis the demands of a new, economically-empowered middle class.
According to meticulously composed propaganda, the Green Dam was intended to "block violence and pornographic contents on the internet to protect minors. It could also help parents control how much time their children spend online." The Chinese, a switched-on, pragmatic people who, by the way, are vigorous consumers of digital porn, instantly grasped the government's real goal was to control the free flow of information. The government has officially noted "technical issues" and "concerns about data security" as reasons for the delay. But everyone knows the truth. The CCP, in its zeal to control the thoughts and actions of its people, crossed an infra-red line of a people who, in exchange for political subservience, demand a government that advances economic interests and the freedom to live without heavy-handed bureaucratic interference. The Green Dam, a ham-fisted attempt to monitor online dialog, directly threatened both quality of life and access to the outside world. The people, in on- and off-line worlds, revolted. Digital primal screams were deafening. Even editorial page debates were lively. On the street, the Green Dam became a joke.
I have often argued that China, a Confucian society that cherishes order and stability as the prerequisite for individual and national advancement, does not crave bottom-up representative democracy. Furthermore, most Chinese have confidence in the ability of the central government - as opposed to local and provincial organs - to advance the interests of the majority. As the financial crisis sweeps across the globe, citizens are impressed with their leaders' far-sightedness. From aggressive stimulative policy to announced welfare reforms, most Chinese believe their country will emerge stronger than ever on the global stage once the tsunami recedes. In marked contrast to the Japanese, the Chinese people have faith in the wisdom of their rulers.
But that faith is not blind.
As any society passes into a post-industrial era, self-expression becomes necessary and apparent. In regimented China, a society in which rules and restrictions are omnipresent and genuine individualism has not taken root, the internet is a vital channel for information and, critically, emotional release.
The Chinese maintain a less "functional" relationship with all things digital relative to Westerners. The Chinese are not simply "engaged" with the internet. They flock to a virtual universe to free themselves - and forge new relationships - in way that is not possible in the real world. They do it anonymously, no holds barred, according to a study conducted by JWT and IAC. In response to the statement, "Online I feel free to do and say things I wouldn't do or say offline," fewer than a third of young American agree and a large majority (41%) disagree. Among Chinese respondents, almost three-quarters agree (73%), and just 9% disagree. Similarly, there is a clear difference in outlook when it comes to the notion that "it's perfectly possible to have real relationships purely online, with no face-to-face contact." About a fifth of Americans agree (21%), while almost two-thirds of Chinese do (63%).
The Green Dam threatened this deep love. The people said "No!" And the government threw in the towel. (My bet: the Party will find a face-saving way - an "indefinite delay" - that allows the issue to fade away. But its tactics will not be clear for a few months. American "free trade" complaints will have had little to do with the outcome.)
Am I saying that the government's decision to delay the enforcement of Green Dam installation presages dramatic political reform? Certainly not. The vast majority of Chinese believe an empowered central government guarantees individual and national gain. But this is a clear case of an evolving relationship between rulers and ruled. There will be experiments in intra-party checks and balances, particularly at the local level. The judicial branch, particularly in the commercial arena, will have a wider berth to make decisions free of political interference. KPIs will be used to judge the performance of apparatchiks and some criteria will focus on "community satisfaction." Accountability standards will be promulgated and, more than occasionally, enforced.
China will become more "democratic" but not in an electoral sense, at least not within the next couple decades.
Societies do evolve. And China continues on its own journey to become a modern nation, with a government accountable for its behavior. But the contours of the Middle Kingdom's political structure will always assume the shape of its distinct worldview.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 05:35:23
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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The power of porn , surpasses knives , bullets , tanks o_o
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Paused
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◂◂ ► ▐ ▌ ◼ ▸▸
ʳʷ ᵖˡᵃʸ ᵖᵃᵘˢᵉ ˢᵗᵒᵖ ᶠᶠ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 05:36:51
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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I figure we'll repel aliens with it eventually.
That would have been a plot twist in Independence Day.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 05:38:45
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Orkeosaurus wrote:I figure we'll repel aliens with it eventually.
That would have been a plot twist in Independence Day.
My god it all seems so obvious now.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 05:44:35
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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"FIRE THE LASER AT THE WHITE HOU-- wait what? No I don't want to 'meet sexy singles in my area.' God Dammit. Why does it think I'm from New Jersey anyway?"
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 05:46:11
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Fixture of Dakka
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Orkeosaurus wrote:"FIRE THE LASER AT THE WHITE HOU-- wait what? No I don't want to 'meet sexy singles in my area.' God Dammit. Why does it think I'm from New Jersey anyway?"
Loldawgs!
Would work better than:
Dear Mr. Alien.
I am a Nigerian Prince who needs your help...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 05:56:22
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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[MOD]
Madrak Ironhide
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Orkeosaurus wrote:I figure we'll repel aliens with it eventually.
That would have been a plot twist in Independence Day.
Unless the aliens have already invaded...our porn.
Explains the tentacles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 06:12:49
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Stubborn Temple Guard
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Just because it comes with the computer doesn't meant you can't delete it or just go around it.
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27th Member of D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T.
Resident Battletech Guru. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 06:17:45
Subject: Re:China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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I would assume they make it mandatory to have installed and nigh-impossible to remove.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 06:59:02
Subject: Re:China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Wha-Whut? PrOn with tentacles? Why doesn't anybody ever tell me about this stuff!?!
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 11:08:59
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Killer Klaivex
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You're the only one to blame for not keeping up with the sick sexual fetishes of today's world.
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People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 11:41:58
Subject: Re:China blinks, pr0n wins!
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king, |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 11:57:18
Subject: Re:China blinks, pr0n wins!
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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spartanghost wrote:I would assume they make it mandatory to have installed and nigh-impossible to remove.
The requirement (for now) is it must be packaged, either pre-installed or on a CD. But once installed it leaves its traces throughout the OS and cannot be removed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 13:02:55
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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The only way that would work would be to integrate it with the OS omn the OS disk. This will require cooperation from Microsoft et al, if Chinese Windows actually pays M$.
I suspect the measure was withdrawn bevause of the simple expediency of getting a new computer reformatting the HDD and reinstalling the OS. Green Dam cannot survive that.
I suspect that the Chinese government is looking at ways of integrating censorship software into an OS, after all the 'progress' they have made in net browser software is integral.
China is not the only country looking at net censorship.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 13:10:23
Subject: Re:China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Martial Arts Fiday
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That's the saddest thing I have ever seen, S8n.
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"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
-Nobody Ever
Proverbs 18:2
"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.
warboss wrote:
GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up. 
Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.
EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.
Don't mess with the Blade and Bolter! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/01 13:17:21
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Orlanth wrote:The only way that would work would be to integrate it with the OS omn the OS disk. This will require cooperation from Microsoft et al, if Chinese Windows actually pays M$.
Yahoo and Google have rewritten their searches to meet Chinese censorship requirements and a few years back MS had to give them the source code to Windows to continue doing business here.
So yeah. I can see this coming.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/02 20:03:34
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/03 01:43:15
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Even worse, the ISPs seems to be putting up their own filtering tech above and beyond the 'great firewall of China'.
http://www.danwei.org/net_nanny_follies/china_telecom_gone_green.php
Danwei commenter eric left a comment today to alert us to the fact that he was encountering the above message rather the usual "Connection Timeout" notice for certain sites. Is this China Telecom taking inspiration from Green Dam but replacing that software's rabbit mascot with a gopher?
eric wrote that access in Shenzhen to CNN and Digg was blocked by this notice.
The notice asks you to enter a password if you want to see the "unhealthy" content, and says that it's a notice from "mommy and daddy."
Do any Danwei readers have more information on this barrier?
Note that this barrier blocks the notorious pr0n site CNN.com.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/03 09:11:00
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Green Dam ships...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/02/green_dam_ships/
How ironic that a gopher should be chosen for the China Telecom mascot.
Gopher was an internet information search system in the days before the WWW was invented.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/03 09:15:32
Subject: Re:China blinks, pr0n wins!
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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I can hear the drums of war in the distance, as an army of little yellow gophers with their little green shields prepares for the coming onslaught.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/03 09:37:36
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
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we will just send in tera patrick to china.
that will make them uncensor porn.
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-to many points to bother to count.
mattyrm wrote:i like the idea of a woman with a lobster claw for a hand touching my nuts. :-) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/03 09:45:43
Subject: Re:China blinks, pr0n wins!
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Let's not, she has a voice that sounds like one too many things was jammed down her throat.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/03 09:47:03
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Stormin' Stompa
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Orkeosaurus wrote:I figure we'll repel aliens with it eventually.
That would have been a plot twist in Independence Day.
But they did, remember? Whitey uploads some pr0n to the mothership, Norton goes off and shuts down everything, Smith goes 'WOOOOOOOP!', and then there's a chase scene.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/03 09:56:37
Subject: China blinks, pr0n wins!
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Crafty Bray Shaman
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garret wrote:we will just send in tera patrick to china.
that will make them uncensor porn.
If they got wise, they'd get some Karen Molhotra, Faye Reagen, or Anita Blond shipper over, none of that worn out Tera Patrick stuff, egads.
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Jean-luke Pee-card, of thee YOU ES ES Enter-prize
Make it so!
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