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I already know "Only Infantry May Enter Buildings"

But the terrain I play with most often has square buildings with flat tops. I have gotten flack for this before but i believe these roofs fit in the parapet section of the rules. Those rules also say that a model in a parapet acts like a model in a building. So the RAW is suggesting that monstrous creatures with wings can't land on a rooftop. This would also keep Fexes etc. with flesh hooks from reaching the rooftops of terrain designated as buildings.

My opponent and I decided that the building would be deemed impassable for MCs and therefore dangerous terrain test would fit the bill as a fix to the above situations. I guess it just represent the roof collapsing under the weight of the MC!

What is the rule for monstrous creatures and parapets? Was our compromise correct?

The real rules are what are in the book.

You can define it however you like, it is in fact, one of the staps to starting a game.

Ummm i don't know if that was supposed to be in jest or not...

What is the rule for Monstrous creatures and parapets?

Deuce11 wrote:Ummm i don't know if that was supposed to be in jest or not...

What is the rule for Monstrous creatures and parapets?

Well, you said that only Infantry can go into Buildings.
It is Impassible Terrain for anything else.
Jump Infantry can end on top of Impassible
etc etc.

Seriously, a Major Part of Begining a Game is "Define the Terrain". If you and your Opponent say "Winged MC's can get up there and Carnifexes can Climb up there", then they can.

I think he is saying that the rules say "only infantry" as you quoted.

Anything past that is OK if you agree upon it with your opponent, but it is not "correct".

ok thanks for clarification.

not that I am a tourny player but if the game were being played in a tourney setting, no monstrous creatures of any kind, for any reason, are allowed on the roof tops of buildings. This is what I understand from the posts so far.

If that is the case I imagine the house rule will stand for my buddy and I but I want to know for when I play elsewhere.

Even if you play elsewhere, all you have to do is during the "define Terrain" Step, ask "How are we gonna deal with XYZ"

I guess I am nitpicking. I just assumed there was a brightline rule for this. either A) Monstrous creatures can never be on the roof of a building under any circumstances; or B) Monstrous creatures may never enter a building but may be on a rooftop if they moved there by some means that did not involve entering the building, e.g. flying.

But if no one says there are such guiding rules then I will stick to my judgment.

There is a bit more to the discussion.


You are making an assumption that all rooftops are parapets, and that is far from a constant.

So the first thing you have to do, is determine if the top of the building is a parapet, or if it is a roof. There are different rules for each. And that will change whether an MC can be on top, and maybe (don't remember) if jump infantry can get on top.

Least where I play, we always delt with a building and it's roof as two different pieces of terrain. With the roof usualy being clear terrain surounded by a liniar obstruction.

where are the rules for roofs vs. parapets? cite BGB?

unless it is defined as equals in BGB, because the word parapets and roofs are different (even if their meaning in the dictionary is synonymous), they are treated as different.

I am guessing to venture there isn't ANY Roofs VS Parapets section..... and thus they are different.

It says models may be placed on top of buildings (even impassible ones) and also says some buildings have "parapets" which are essentially treated as interior portions of the building. So you would have to agree what is a "parapet" and what is just a rooftop.

As far as the MC thing goes, I would say they may occupy a rooftop (if able to get there) but not a parapet since it counts as being inside the building, which MCs cannot do.

Just going by the bare bones rules for intact buildings I would have to assume that the MC can land on the roof and take a dangerous terrain test if its base can fit. The MC wouldn't be able to be placed within 1" of enemy models on the roof, or assault them since they count as being in the building and models in intact buildings may not be assaulted.

If you want your game to be more awesome specify before the beginning of the game that your buildings with large parapets have a rule which states that models on the parapets can be assaulted or something.

Terrain can have all kinds of crazy made up rules that have nothing to do with what the book says, as long as you and your opponent agree on them before the game.

An MC could not occupy parapets, they are the same as being inside the building, which is restricted to infantry.

They could, I believe, land on the roof, however if the building is occupied you would measure to the "hull" for measuring to the models inside since they function like vehicles and so the MC could not land on it if there were enemies inside without being within 1". I may be wrong about the extent to which buildings match vehicles but I think this is right.

Non impassible buildings are treated as transports except that they do not belong to either player and cannot move.

When is one allowed to place an MC on top of a transport?

Now if it is a building NOTHING can enter, game on. run up the side with your fleshhooks, or whatever.



(pg 78-79)

kirsanth wrote:
When is one allowed to place an MC on top of a transport?

When it's also a building empty of enemy models, and the model can fit on the top, and both players agree that it's asinine that the model couldn't be placed there because models can go inside it.

after talking with my buddy we are sticking to our house rule. Most notably, the rules state to treat units in the parapet as if they were in the building, but the parapet is not the same as the building. Similarly, many units move like or are treated as jump infantry but are not jump infantry. This type of reasoning permits MCs to be in parapets because they can treat the inaccessible building as impassable terrain. This opens up a world of new rules for the MCs to clearly follow so they can interact appropriately with buildings.

A slightly more detailed explanation, if you care to know, is as follows:

I have found NO rules about Roof tops (you find it, then cite it, otherwise know that they don't exist in 5th Ed BGB). The rules for parapets are general at best and may be applied to any roof that allows units to be on top.

If a monstrous creature cannot enter a building then buildings are "impassable" for MCs.

MCs with wings move as jump infantry and therefore can land on impassable terrain and take the requisite terrain tests.

MCs with flesh hooks can scale vertical impassable terrain (i think you roll a d6 for movement vertically or something)

hence the MCs may move to the top of buildings without entering the building with a little help from wargear. The rule about units in a parapet are treated as IN the building is a little hairy but again the word TREATED is important. it gives leeway to the MCs to interact with buildings as impassable terrain.

I think this reasoning is strong AND BESIDES it is silly to prevent MCs from being on top of buildings simply because they can't fit inside!


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oh yeah and I forgot about such circumstances as when an enemy unit occupies the building.

the RAW is clear here and opposing units cannot move on top of the building if it is occupied by the opposing player.