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Honestly, I know it's fun and all to say that one or some of the other networks are just as bad but for the left, but they're not.




Michael Sheuer: "The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. Because it's going to take a grassroots, bottom up pressure, because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans. It's an absurd situation, again. Only Osama can execute an attack that will force Americans to demand a government protect them effectively, consistently and with as much violence as necessary."

Glenn Beck (nodding): "Which is why I was thinking this last weekend, if I were him, that would be the last thing I would do right now."


Now, looking at the 24 hour news stations there isn't a lot of quality there. But there is difference between crappy sensationalism and arguing that a terrorist strike is the only way to change immigration policy.

yep, imagine the quieting down of 'useful scaremongering beardy lunatic islamic' bogeymen doesn't do these warmongering wits much good. (edited by Modquisition-watch the language!)

I am sure the mothers and fathers burying their soldier children coming back from deserts in boxes would jump to agree...

Armchair generals and warhawks, I fething hate them. Put them on the front line. These cholesterol crammed yahoos need to take a few steps beyond their nicely mowed lawns and upper middleclass suburban policed housing and smell the coffee.

European approval usually stems from not having our troops, including several members of my family, hauled into the fething desert to appease these ladies men.

The western economy is in the gak, let the president and the administration attend to cleaning up the mess the last imbecile left behind (10trillion in debt to China for example) before these donkey-caves get back to sending more young people to die for no good cause in the sand.

Lord almighty, that was a pile of drivel.

I agree. We need balanced reporting. Every time some right wing nutjob gets on the air, there should be a counterpoint to provide a view from the real world. I can't believe the government permits this sort of thing to go on the air. There should be a law.

sebster wrote:
Michael Sheuer: "The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. Because it's going to take a grassroots, bottom up pressure, because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans. It's an absurd situation, again. Only Osama can execute an attack that will force Americans to demand a government protect them effectively, consistently and with as much violence as necessary."

Good Christ. That's the kind of crap we would joke about in I Poli class.

Q: What does it take to produce major political upheaval?

A: A major catastrophe, usually an act of aggression by an extra-national force, but potentially anything from a natural disaster to a depression.

Kudos to beardy-dude for attributing a potential strike to a man who is, in all likelihood, already dead of kidney failure.

I knew there was a reason that I didn't watch Fox News.

24 hour news is becoming more like a tabloid. Sensationalism sells kids. The broad public doesn't really give a damn what they watch so long as it tells them what they want to hear. Oh the American sheeple.

If anyone ever watched MSNBC they might have seen this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5wuxi_olbermann-next-terrorist-attack-mig_news

Frazzled wrote:If anyone ever watched MSNBC they might have seen this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5wuxi_olbermann-next-terrorist-attack-mig_news

I remember that. I also remember thinking "Keith Olbermann is the worst...person...in the world!"

Why? For reporting what the McCain campaign chief-of-staff said himself?

Exactly. Warning that the Republican party might stage a terrorist attack to win the election is just good journalism and balanced reporting, and has nothing to do with anything.

Frazzled wrote:I agree. We need balanced reporting. Every time some right wing nutjob gets on the air, there should be a counterpoint to provide a view from the real world. I can't believe the government permits this sort of thing to go on the air. There should be a law.

LOL, like ABC's sleepover at the White House? Not only did they not offer a counter point, but they wouldn't even let conservatives buy commercial time during that love fest. The fact of the matter is that there are no balanced news sources. Every one of them, from cable news, to the papers, to online sources has some kind of agenda. While one company or organization might be right leaning there is another just as biased in the other direction. It does seem to be fashionable to be on the left side of issues though. An easy example would be MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN on the left and Fox on the right lol I really think it irks President Obama that he can't pull them all over to his cause.

No that just shows that Fox can't get with the program. If all the rest of the media is supporting Obama, clearly there's something wrong with Fox. There needs to be an investigation of their financial ties.

I think it's because Hillary turned down Rupert Murdoch's offer to spoon.

Wow! So the mere presence of Obama is enough to deter terrorists from attacking......

.... and that's bad because....err.... American's won't get killed and.... err.....

It's like watching an extremely dumbed down version of "In the thick of it" but.. kinda more frightening.

I agree. We need balanced reporting. Every time some right wing nutjob gets on the air, there should be a counterpoint to provide a view from the real world. I can't believe the government permits this sort of thing to go on the air. There should be a law.

Thanks Ronnie !

Exactly. Any network that puts on wingnuts like Glenn Beck need to be examined more closely. They clearly do not have the public interest at heart. Did I mention where Beck was before he jumped ship?

Beck is an utter moron. He is even low brow for a station like Fox, which requires you to check all objectivity and intelligence when you flip over to it.

While I enjoyed the nightly rants against the Bush Admin on MSNBC, their self-congratulatory smugness since the election is a little much to take. Sadly, their best reporting is when they refute some of the more idiotic things that are said on Fox; other than that it is just a rah rah festival.

Interestingly enough, one of the more thoughtful conservative voices on 24 hour news is actually on MSNBC, Joe Scarborough (if you can get past him trying to perpetually hawk his new book). And they also have Pat Buchannan (even though he is not as much of a firebrand as he used to be).

With that said, CNN, even though it is probably slightly center-left, is still more than likely the most balanced of the 24 hour news channels.

err... CNN/USA wasn't it ?

..where he was the rabid rightwinger who was balanced out by the rest of the network ?

As opposed to Fox who have....err....ahh!

The Simpsons.

Beck was on CNN HLN, which is different than the regular CNN. It is more or less one talk show of sensationalistic stories one after another. And even though I did not like his show then either, he wasn't *quite* as off the wall as he has been since going to FOX. (It is almost like the CNN folks kept him leashed a little bit.)

reds8n wrote:err... CNN/USA wasn't it ?

..where he was the rabid rightwinger who was balanced out by the rest of the network ?

As opposed to Fox who have....err....ahh!

The Simpsons.

That kind of confuses me as well. Fox News maintains a right leaning bias, but Fox television has left leaning programing. I've seen more than a few leftist jabs at conservative government/ideals on the Simpsons, Family Guy and American Dad.


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Eldanar wrote:Beck was on CNN HLN, which is different than the regular CNN. It is more or less one talk show of sensationalistic stories one after another. And even though I did not like his show then either, he wasn't *quite* as off the wall as he has been since going to FOX. (It is almost like the CNN folks kept him leashed a little bit.)

The only reason HLN gets any time on my TV is so I can stare at Robin Meade.

IT's because Murdoch isn't especially political : he just wants to make money.

Thus he'll have Fox cozy up to the administration if it suits him $ wise... whilst the SUn and the TImes in the Uk will tell everyone what a dick Bush is/was...
while he worms his way into the graces of the Chinese Govt. as he wants tehir subscriptions for his satellite empire-- especially with regards to the English Premier league.

IT's common knowledge (over here anyway, don't know about over the pond) that Murdoch himself can't stand O'Reilly and views him as little more than a buffoon. BUt a buffoon who gets ratings.

For years The Sun in the UK was staunchly anti labour....then, when it looks like they're going to win BOOM ! They love Tony Blair !

The man is to principles what Sean Penn is to aquatic rescue.

HLN is the worst new network I have ever seen. It is the National Enquirer of cable news. I'v never seen such awful reporting and research. Nearly everything reported on there is secondhand hearsay. Any my girlfriend's parents eat it up.

Tyras wrote:I think it's because Hillary turned down Rupert Murdoch's offer to spoon.

That statement makes my brain hurt. Shudder.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

I am sure the mothers and fathers burying their soldier children coming back from deserts in boxes would jump to agree...

What about the mothers and fathers burying their NOT soldier children at home?

From a recent email:
"An interesting letter in theAustralian Shooter Magazine this week, which I quote:

"If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington , DC is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. That means you are about 25 per cent more likely to be shot and killed in the US capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the US , than you are in Iraq."

I still don't get how this relates to the crab people.

The "Liberal media" crap always makes me laugh. Here's some great evidence that networks like CNN and MSNBC aren't leftist controlled conspiracies: They took Sarah Palin seriously. They reported on her as a serious candidate and overlooked her numerous idiotic statements and stupid campaign maneuvers (i.e. talking about how great of a mom she is and how important her family is and then getting offended when anyone who isn't on her side mentions her family)
I'd say a good 90% of the media IS biased, but it's not so simple as "this network is left, this one is right." A lot of it is down to individuals. As much as I love Keith Olbermann, I won't say that he isn't biased.

But honestly, you can't compare ANY media bias to Faux News. They have reported blatantly and obviously false information twice that I can remember off the top of my head. With the Governor Sanford scandal, they reported that he was a Democrat. Understandable, right? I mean, it's not like EVERYONE else knew or could guess that the governor of South Carolina was a Republican. Except that they pulled the same trick with Mark Foley. Apparently he too was a democrat?

"They call themselves 'Anonymous,' they are hackers on steroids, treating the web like a real-life video game..."

"Their name comes from their secret website. It requires anyone posting on the site to remain anonymous."

"There are literally thousands of stolen passwords on that site!"

Tyras wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I agree. We need balanced reporting. Every time some right wing nutjob gets on the air, there should be a counterpoint to provide a view from the real world. I can't believe the government permits this sort of thing to go on the air. There should be a law.

LOL, like ABC's sleepover at the White House? Not only did they not offer a counter point, but they wouldn't even let conservatives buy commercial time during that love fest. The fact of the matter is that there are no balanced news sources. Every one of them, from cable news, to the papers, to online sources has some kind of agenda. While one company or organization might be right leaning there is another just as biased in the other direction. It does seem to be fashionable to be on the left side of issues though. An easy example would be MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN on the left and Fox on the right lol I really think it irks President Obama that he can't pull them all over to his cause.

See, that’s missing the point I’m making.

Sure, TV news coverage in the US is pretty crappy across the board. It is often openly partisan, and the fact checking is dreadful. But the extent of those failings matter, and no station fails as hard or as often as FOX. The youtube video I posted showed a guy talking about how a difference on policy over immigration can only be solved by suffering a terrorist attack.

See, if one chooses not to give someone their change and pockets the 35c for himself, he is not a thief on the same scale as a guy who makes living assaulting and mugging people every night.

No US news coverage is great. But nothing anywhere is as bad as FOX.

Tyras wrote:That kind of confuses me as well. Fox News maintains a right leaning bias, but Fox television has left leaning programing. I've seen more than a few leftist jabs at conservative government/ideals on the Simpsons, Family Guy and American Dad.

It's because they mix it up with fart jokes and stupid humor.

It's really quite clever how they do it.....