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Just watched WD with battlereport of Planetstrike game IGvsEldars.
In scenarion rules i found paragraph that all blah blah blah can DS. Units who already can DS, can assault after it.
So my question. Are demons counts for that assaulting from DS??? they kinda all always deployed via DS.

Do they deepstrike? Yes. So they would. The question i was hearing alot at the lgs is if drop pods let whatever is inside them assault.

hope not \= heh. btw that rules work on both sides? or only for Attacker? and how you choose who will be attacker and who defender? I just can't see how it can happen that Demons will be defenders.

penek wrote:hope not \= heh. btw that rules work on both sides? or only for Attacker? and how you choose who will be attacker and who defender? I just can't see how it can happen that Demons will be defenders.

What you can't see the grey Knights deep striking onto a daemon World to retrieve an ancient artefact that will banish the daemons from the system?

i can see them on CSM worlds.. not in deeepest a* where real four powers live.

It gets worse when you mix Shrike in with assault termies.

50 of them and Shrike is a whole load of hurt.

Tell me, does coming in via Drop Pod let you assault? Because if it does, the nastiness Vanguard could Pull....

Gwar! wrote:Tell me, does coming in via Drop Pod let you assault? Because if it does, the nastiness Vanguard could Pull....

No. Page 13 of Planetstrike, under "Mission special rules" there is a note saying that units that enter play from a Deep Striking vehicle do not benefit from the instant assault option.

Aww that sucks bawls. Oh well, Guess that screws PlanetStrike for Space Wolves then.

I am officially Uninterested.

-Goes off to make CSM Lists for his Wolves because the new codex will be even worse-

Daemons can't assault after deepstriking. I just picked up the book today, and the rules for this is as follows:

Attacking units with the Deep Strike special rule in their unit entry may assault the turn they enter play (emphasis mine)

My friend checked his Daemon codex, and the unit entry's don't have Deep Strike as a special rule.

So yea....Daemon's actually get a bit of the shaft here.

Ouch on both counts. Let's be honest though... either of those would have been crazy broken. Ironclad Dreadnoughts hitting and immediately getting to assault (not to mention the Vanguard) and entire demon armies getting to attack without even one round of getting shot up... ::shudder::

Gwar! wrote:Aww that sucks bawls. Oh well, Guess that screws PlanetStrike for Space Wolves then.

I am officially Uninterested.

-Goes off to make CSM Lists for his Wolves because the new codex will be even worse-

Gwar some times i wonder about you ... you have the following that can deep strike ...

Fast Attack Blood Claw Bike Packs (yes i know wait a second) replace the bike with a jump pack and you have a unit thats deep striking with 4 attacks on charge (+1A 2CC, +2A on charge for being berserkers)

Wolf Guard can also take jump packs at 10pts each

As can all your HQ (dogs will need to be left at home)

So what your saying is no point in playing since i can only take up to 44 (+hqs) of the toughest CC units MeQ can offer?

Tri wrote:Fast Attack Blood Claw Bike Packs (yes i know wait a second) replace the bike with a jump pack and you have a unit thats deep striking with 4 attacks on charge (+1A 2CC, +2A on charge for being berserkers)

30 Points Each for WS3 Models? Oh yeah, so Wonderful

Tri wrote:Wolf Guard can also take jump packs at 10pts each

Nope, only WG Pack Leaders attached to Blood Claw Jump Packers can take them

Tri wrote:As can all your HQ (dogs will need to be left at home)

Nope, they cannot take them either.

Tri wrote:So what your saying is no point in playing since i can only take up to 44 (+hqs) of the toughest CC units MeQ can offer?

If I could, I would, but instead I have 30 Point Guardsmen.

fair enough missed the note2....

Let's here it for the rules fight the day before the book officially comes out!

If the dividing line between deep striking and assaulting, and deep striking and not being able to assault, for the attacker is having the deep strike ability in the unit listing, then Jump Infantry can't assault either. Note that jump infantry don't get the Deep Strike rule, instead they "may enter the battle by 'deep strike', as explained on page 95." And looking in the Space Marine armour descriptions, Terminators don't have Deep Strike, either, but "... arrive using the deep strike rules."

Which is quite an odd situation, since there is reported to be an example which says that the attacker's jump infantry do get to assault. Hmm, I wonder what the solution to this dilemna is...

Wow, GW writing rules that contradicting themselves.

UNPOSSIBLE!

Also stops any equipment based IC deepstriker/assaults.

Jack

So far, the only units that I've found which have Deep Strike explicitly in the unit entry are CSM Obliterators, IG Storm Troopers and DE Scourges.
Edit: Oh, wait, and DE Helions, too. Goodness, so many applicable units.

Let us all conclude that it was obvious that GW wrote a special rule in Planetstrike to give those four units an advantage above other, appearantly poorly selling, units. After all, the alternative is clearly impossible.

Edit: Oh, oh, and Spore Mine Clusters have Deep Strike, too.

solkan wrote:
Edit: Oh, oh, and Spore Mine Clusters have Deep Strike, too.

.... that's wrong on so any levels ....

Tri wrote:

solkan wrote:
Edit: Oh, oh, and Spore Mine Clusters have Deep Strike, too.

.... that's wrong on so any levels ....

Can Spore Mines even assault?

I know what my new Nid army is going to be!

It is with great sadness that I report that Spore Mines can assault, but they are prohibited from making assault moves by their codex and thus unable to successfully complete any of their charges.

However, the number of units with Deep Strike known to be in their profile is now fourteen. Necron Flayed Ones and Scarab Swarms also have the ability. Also, Black Templar Assault Squads (but not Terminators) and Land Speeders; and Dark Angel Assault Squads (but not Terminators); and Tau Gun Drone Squadrons, Crisis Suits and Battle Suits (The Tau elite combat elements ). And Tyranid Raveners and Gargoyles. The original four were CSM Obliterators, IG Storm Troopers, DE Scourges and Helions.

That leaves Blood Angels, Chaos Daemons, Daemonhunters, Eldar, Orks, Space Marines, Space Wolves, and Witchhunters without applicable units, and Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines, Dark Angels, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Tau and Tyranids with applicable units.

Edit: Finished looking through my stack of codices.
Edit: Corrected on Tyranid units, by psf3077, and put all twelve in the same post. And stand corrected on Battlesuits and Crisis suits. Go elite Tau combat teams.

The planetstrike book states that the unit in question must have deep strike in its unit entry.

Then it goes on to give an example in which assault marines are allowed to deep strike and then assault in the same turn.

Assault marines, although they are jump infantry and allowed to deploy using the deepstrike rules do not have deep strike in their unit entry.

Good thing any if the language is even remotely consistent.

The example implies that any rule in the unit entry that allows it to deploy by deep strike. In this case daemons using daemonic assault, and playing the role of attacker in a planetstrike mission, would be able to assault after deep striking.

This has to be one of the worst screwups ever, they gave us a line to cutoff units that could use this ability, then explain that that line isn't actually the real limit. So now we are left to make our own, and where do you make it.

Units entering in drop pods? they are still entering play via deep strike, just like the assault marines, so why not?

Daemon armies? It might be an army wide special rule rather than normal deep striking, but it's still entering play by deep strike, just like the assault marines so why not?

Any unit disembarking from a Valkyrie? Yeah I know it's silly, but why the hell not if you can break the rules set out in the book to let assault marines do it.

Well Tyranid Ravenrs, and Gargoyles already have the DS special rule. Finally, ill have a wish to use the Ravener, DS them then fleet move, then 12" assault, cool.

psf3077 wrote:Well Tyranid Ravenrs, and Gargoyles already have the DS special rule. Finally, ill have a wish to use the Ravener, DS them then run, then 12" assault, cool.

fixed that for you

A-P wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Tell me, does coming in via Drop Pod let you assault? Because if it does, the nastiness Vanguard could Pull....

No. Page 13 of Planetstrike, under "Mission special rules" there is a note saying that units that enter play from a Deep Striking vehicle do not benefit from the instant assault option.

Also the Drop Pod's page itself says stuff that gets out of it cannot assault.


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solkan wrote:It is with great sadness that I report that Spore Mines can assault, but they are prohibited from making assault moves by their codex and thus unable to successfully complete any of their charges.

However, the number of units with Deep Strike known to be in their profile is now ten. Necron Flayed Ones and Scarab Swarms also have the ability. Also, Black Templar Assault Squads (but not Terminators) and Land Speeders; and Dark Angel Assault Squads (but not Terminators); and Tau Gun Drone Squadrons (but not battle suits).

That leaves Blood Angels, Chaos Daemons, Daemonhunters, Eldar, Orks, Space Marines, Space Wolves, Tyranids and Witchhunters without applicable units, and Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines, Dark Angels, Dark Eldar, Necrons, and Tau with applicable units.

Edit: Finished looking through my stack of codices.

Battle Suits can their rules say that the battle suit gives them the Acute Senses and Deep Strike special rules. Broadsides can't. So 14 (Including the Commander Suit, Bodyguards, Crisis Suit team and Stealth Team)

Not like they would want to really charge into CC anyway

sooo by RAW Demons cant assault, by RAI and that description someone posted here, they can. wth is goin on?

The guys that work at the GW I go to say that they can. If that means anything.

Guys.

Planetstrike is Apocalypse with Walls.

The simple fact that a recommended Planetstrike force has Sicarius and a full company of Space Marines (for the low, low price of $800!) should tell us something about the system.

Just talk about it with your opponent. Well, if you ever actually intend to play it. I sure don't.