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I have only played games against my friends who are noobs like me(we are only a couple months in to the hobby). I plan on joining a league(1500->1750) at my FLGS and want to be a competitive.

Autarch: Jetbike, Laser Lance [120]

Farseer: Jetbike + Doom + Fortune + Spirit Stones + Runes of Warding [175]

Warlocks: 6 w/ Jetbikes + 5 Destructors + Embolden [325]


F.Dragons: 5 in W.Serpent w/ TL-ShurCan, S.Stones [190]

F.Dragons: 5 in W.Serpent w/ TL-ShurCan, S.Stones [190]


D.Avengers: 10 in W.Serpent w/ TL-EML, ShurCan, S.Stones [260]

D.Avengers: 10 in W.Serpent w/ TL-EML, ShurCan, S.Stones [260]


Fire Prism [115]

Fire Prism [115]

[1750]

So what do you think? My first thoughts are to drop laser lance and jetbike from autarch then give him a fusion gun/PW. Then upgrade the dire avenger serpents with bright lances (also 1750).

islyfe wrote:I have only played games against my friends who are noobs like me(we are only a couple months in to the hobby). I plan on joining a league(1500->1750) at my FLGS and want to be a competitive.

Autarch: Jetbike, Laser Lance [120]

Farseer: Jetbike + Doom + Fortune + Spirit Stones + Runes of Warding + Spirit Stones [175]

Warlocks: 6 w/ Jetbikes + 5 Destructors + Embolden [325]


F.Dragons: 5 in W.Serpent w/ TL-ShurCan [190]

F.Dragons: 5 in W.Serpent w/ TL-ShurCan, [190]


D.Avengers: 10 in W.Serpent w/ TL-EML, ShurCan [260]

D.Avengers: 10 in W.Serpent w/ TL-EML, ShurCan [260]


Fire Prism [115]

Fire Prism [115]

[1750]

So what do you think? My first thoughts are to drop laser lance and jetbike from autarch then give him a fusion gun/PW. Then upgrade the dire avenger serpents with bright lances (also 1750).

Do exactly what you suggested. To many destructors! Run 3 maybe 4 and then a enhance and maybe another embolden. You don't want to be owning the unit that hard before you assault them lol.

Good solid army though.

Id also say drop 2 destructors and add 1 enhance and 1 embolden (same price). Gives you more versatility. Enhance is REALLY essential! Embolden too, so much that you want two of it, just in case the first one dies.

Seems you are paying 10 pts TOO much for each DA squad? (10 DAs = 120, Serpent 90, EML +30,Cannon +10 = total 250).

So you have 20pts left.
Id probably dump both underslung cannons (because you really should be moving MORE than 6" every turn and besides those cannons are wasted when shooting at tanks mostly)
Then you have 40pts.
Upgrade both EMLs to Bright Lances. That will cost 30pts.
You got 10 left. Add mandiblasters to the autarch. Set to go

So i think you can keep the jetbike autarch. He adds alot when the council charges (w/ mandiblasters that 6 str6 power weapon attacks with WS7 I7 !!!), and he is nice to have for the +1 reserve.

I think you have a nice and solid list.

You can change it in different ways and it will still be solid.

You could drop the autarch entirely for example and get a third prism. Or downgrade him to cheapo foot-autarch like has been suggested. And then buy bladestorm exarchs for both DA squads. Or fire dragon exarchs with heavy flamers+ crack shot.
All depending on what you like, how it works out for you, what kind of armies you face, your temperament etc.

Good luck!

oops I forgot to list spirit stones for all my serpents, thats the hidden 40pts. Thanks for the suggestions.

great! they should have them stones as well

Lose the Autarch. Vectored Engines. Three Fire Prisms. I do not myself take Spirit Stones.

Dire Avengers need Exarchs. You could go down to five Warlocks.

Farseer has Spirit Stones listed twice, was it costed twice? Do not have my book.

Looking at the points on your farseer Im guessing that the second spirit stones are actually runes of witnessing? Which are a good thing on any farseer who is going to be using two powers a turn.

On the autarch, either keep him in the bike squad or drop him completely. You dont have another squad where he would fit properly. An autarch on a bike with a laser lance is about the best cc the eldar can get.

The underslung shuriken cannons can be fired along with the emls (eml in str4 blast form) so those serpents can still move 12". The short range on the cannons makes them maybe a little less useful than you might think tho. If you do need points for something else, dumping the cannons would be a good first choice.

A good use for 20 points would be mandiblasters and a fusion gun on the autarch. Hmmm, now if you could just free up 20 points somewhere, say from dropping a couple cannons......

You definitely want enhance on one warlock, and a second embolden is nice backup. If you leave the autarch then your jet council shouldnt need the extra burn templates.

It would be nice to give the DA squads an exarch and bladestorm, but the points arent easy to pry out of your list. Losing a warlock would make your council a good bit more fragile... you do have one other option tho. Dropping one of the dragon squads and replacing it with a third prism would leave you with more than enough points to give the DAs exarchs with bladestorm. It would leave you with enough points to leave the cannons on their serpents as well.




Your army should be fun and give just about any army a good fight.


Sliggoth

Updated list, thanks for the help guys


Autarch: Jetbike, Laser Lance, Mandiblaster [130]

Farseer: Jetbike + Doom + Fortune + Spirit Stones + Runes of Warding [175]

Warlocks: 6 w/ Jetbikes + 3 Destructors + 2 Embolden + Enhance [325]


F.Dragons: 5 in W.Serpent w/ TL-ShurCan, S.Stones [190]

F.Dragons: 5 in W.Serpent w/ TL-ShurCan, S.Stones [190]


D.Avengers: 10 in W.Serpent w/ TL-Brightlance, S.Stones [255]

D.Avengers: 10 in W.Serpent w/ TL-Brightlance, S.Stones [255]


Fire Prism [115]

Fire Prism [115]

[1750]

Seriously, drop the autarch, he is not worth it. Buy a warwalker squadron or a wraithlord or something in his place.

why do you think: a +1 to reserves, ws 7, I 7, six strength 6 power weapon on the charge, with 3 wounds and rerollable 3+/ 4++ ...is bad?

In my experience a single wraithlord would get focus fire and owned. I don't know butWraithlords and war walkers seem out of place in my list.