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Hello Dakka!

A question just occurred to me...let me explain.

Models can be insta-killed when the strength of the attack equals their double toughness. That's clear.

Next thing: Units consisting of models with multiple wounds (but with exactly the same wargear) have to allocate two received wounds to a single model, as far as I know.

Now, following example:

A predator destructor unleashes its autocannon into a heavy weapons squad consisting of three missile launcher teams. Both shots hit, both shots wound.
Now: Each shot of the autocannon is able to insta-kill a weapons team theoretically, because S7 and T3. Therefore, putting both wounds onto a single missile launcher team would be inefficient from the predator's viewpoint. However, I guess it still works that way, because units of 2-wounded same-looking models have to allocate two wounds to the same model?

This example ignores the fact that the autocannon could also hit the missile launcher itself. I still don't get exactly how this shoot-at-artillery-rules work, if someone has the time and motivation to give me a little crash course on that topic I'd be pleased.

Thanks for reading and thanks for answers in advance,
Witzkatz

Since the heavy weapons temas are identical there is no allocation. Both die (unless they receive a cover save). Also heavy weapon teams don't count as artillery so no need to worry about that.

If they were different however instant death has to be resolved against models with full wounds first (to stop certain levels of abuse), then the wounds could be allocated (i.e, rolling separately). However in this situation there is no point since it's just one model per shot.




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By the way, do you have the rulebook? It is actually pretty simple once you get the hang of it.

instant death for wound allocation is on p.26 (that's the non-fluff AoBR book, not sure if page numbering is different for the fluffy one.)

the artillery rules are on p.55, though as Lukus said, you don't need them in this case.

Witzkatz wrote:Hello Dakka!

A question just occurred to me...let me explain.

Models can be insta-killed when the strength of the attack equals their double toughness. That's clear.

Next thing: Units consisting of models with multiple wounds (but with exactly the same wargear) have to allocate two received wounds to a single model, as far as I know.

Now, following example:

A predator destructor unleashes its autocannon into a heavy weapons squad consisting of three missile launcher teams. Both shots hit, both shots wound.
Now: Each shot of the autocannon is able to insta-kill a weapons team theoretically, because S7 and T3. Therefore, putting both wounds onto a single missile launcher team would be inefficient from the predator's viewpoint. However, I guess it still works that way, because units of 2-wounded same-looking models have to allocate two wounds to the same model?

This example ignores the fact that the autocannon could also hit the missile launcher itself. I still don't get exactly how this shoot-at-artillery-rules work, if someone has the time and motivation to give me a little crash course on that topic I'd be pleased.

Thanks for reading and thanks for answers in advance,
Witzkatz

To answer your last bit first; All you need to do is read your (or somones) IG codex and look at the unit type for Heavy Weapon Sqauds. It reads "Infantry", whom have nothing to do with the "Unit type: Artillery" rules.

Now, if you read the section of the BGB detailing the wound procedure for multiple-wound units, specifically P26 on the right side - You will read that with a unit that is identical in gaming terms; after you have rolled the number of unsaved wounds for the squad as a whole, You remove whole models as casulties where possible.

This means that you cannot spread wounds either across the whole squad or stick them onto one single model.

HtH.

In the example posted in the OP, 2 Teams will die.

Thanks for all the answers!

My friend, who plays IG and whose HWS keep harassing my troops, told me that they were artillery. Well, now that they're infantry this gets easier a bit!

I own the little AoBR rulebook, unfortunately I don't have it here right now. I shall reread the paragraph when I'm back home this afternoon. This "remove whole models as casualties where possible" sounds intriguing...

*needs to buy a dakkapred*

Yes, you always remove whole models - in a unit of multiwound models you remove whole models, therefore you "assign" 2 wounds to 2 squad members (they are oine model so must get one wound each before they can then get another) however, if they are identical you roll saves as a group. Assuming no saves then ID kicks in and kills a model before the second wound can be dealt to it, meaning you still have one "wound" left - which kills another model through ID.