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can anyone come up with a competitive nurgle csm army, without the lash princes???

Yeah, it's not that hard.

x2 Warptime MoN Princes

3-4 Plaguemarine squads in rhinos with PF champs and x2 meltas. Maybe some flamers if you face horde armies.

CC Defilers or Oblits for heavy support.

This should be the core of your army. Any other options are fun and I do switch things around but I usually run 2 princes, 4 PM squads in rhinos and 2 defilers, occasionally swapping them for 2 x2 Oblit squads as the core of my force.

Lets see, don't have codex here, so Im guestimating pointscosts.

DP, Wings, MoN, NR ~170
DP, Wings, MoN, Warptime ~170

3 Terminators, 3 CombiMelta, PF, Icon of Nurgle ~130
3 Terminators, 3 CombiMelta, PF, Icon of Nurgle ~130

7 PlagueMarines, 2 Melta, AC, PF, Rhino ~250
7 PlagueMarines, 2 Melta, AC, PF, Rhino ~250
7 PlagueMarines, 2 Flamer, AC, PF, Rhino ~240

2 Obliterators 150

Sum: ~1500 give or take a few points.

Should be a fairly basic and functional list with 2 Winged DP's for added cheese.

Cilithan

Well, as a core, I'd take three squads of 7 Plague Marines with 2 special weapons in Rhinos, as above.
Then I'd add one or two DPs with MoN and warptime.
Finally, the army needs shooty support: Obliterators, Vindicators, Predators.

Thanks for the feedback, guys! Yeah I agree with the DP choices, allthough i'd take wind of chaos instead of warptime. Then i'd take say 3 pm squads with rhinos and 3 obliterators...it sounds like a nice small 1500pts army!!!

It seems like you have already gotten some good feedback but I wanted to post my mono-Nurgle list so you could look it over for ideas. A good substitution if you want to take Oblits would be to drop the Pred for a pair.

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Daemon Prince (175)
Wings, Mark of Nurgle, Warptime

Daemon Prince (175)
Wings, Mark of Nurgle, Warptipe

Greater Demon (100)

Plague Marines (170)
x2 Meltaguns, x3 w/ Bolter
Rhino

Plague Marines (185)
x2 Meltaguns, x2 w/ Bolter
Champion w/ Bolter
Rhino

Plague Marines (140)
x2 Flamers, x2 w/ Bolter
Champion w/ Bolter

Land Raider (240)
Daemonic Posession

Defiler (150)
Daemonic Posession

Predator (165)
TL Lascannon, Lascannon Sponsons

(1500)

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Hey Mysterice, its definitely an option.
But I would hesitate to make the PM units too small.

I agree with wuestenfux. the plague marine squads are too small. I run them in squads of ten and they have never died completely no mater how hard an opponent ties to kill them. They also always need a champion with a PF IMO.

Cadaver wrote:Yeah, it's not that hard.

x2 Warptime MoN Princes

3-4 Plaguemarine squads in rhinos with PF champs and x2 meltas. Maybe some flamers if you face horde armies.

CC Defilers or Oblits for heavy support.

This should be the core of your army. Any other options are fun and I do switch things around but I usually run 2 princes, 4 PM squads in rhinos and 2 defilers, occasionally swapping them for 2 x2 Oblit squads as the core of my force.

This is almost exactly what I'm taking for the Tactica tournament in a few weeks!

DP, Wings, MoN & Warp Time
2x (7 Plague Marines with 2x MG, Aspiring Champion w/PF, Rhino w/additional Combi-Bolter)
Defiler w/close combat weapons
2 Obliterators

=1000 points give or take

For higher point games, just add more of the same - for Heavy some more Defilers/Obliterators/Vindicator/Predator wouldn't hurt (maybe even a small squad of 5 chosen with a couple of MG's to tank bust/scout). hope that helps bud...

wuestenfux wrote:Hey Mysterice, its definitely an option.
But I would hesitate to make the PM units too small.

Usually I would agree but this army placed 4th in a very large (30+) tournament I was recently at. The only PM squads that were ever lost were if they were outside of their Rhino or Land Raider which usually isn't necessary. Rhinos have a high degree of resilience in this edition and can protect your not even remotely fragile PM for much longer then may seem reasonable.

I don't oppose the the idea of larger squads especially with PF but as you can see in my list there aren't many points to spare and I just didn't see the need for a defensive CC edge when I have three plague covered beat sticks in the form of the DP/GD trio.

Why should I take warptime???Isn't Wind Of Chaos a way better option??? I mean it wounds on 4+ without armor saves... also should i rather take 1 Plasma gun and 1 meltagun or two meltas???
Thanks for the great feedback guys!

sually I would agree but this army placed 4th in a very large (30+) tournament I was recently at. The only PM squads that were ever lost were if they were outside of their Rhino or Land Raider which usually isn't necessary. Rhinos have a high degree of resilience in this edition and can protect your not even remotely fragile PM for much longer then may seem reasonable.

This is also my observation that Rhinos last longer in the new edition.

So your PM operate in the Rhinos. The Rhinos drive by and the PM shoot two weapons out of the Rhino. Right?

Wounding on 4+ is certainly nice and it's a template weapon if i remember rightly!?!

But ... provided your DP doesn't get shot full of holes you want him to be able to chop stuff up good!

I've found that without the use of Warptime, the DP just can't inflict enough casualties to justify the points. It works well when attacking dreadnoughts and other similar large targets too, not just infantry.

As with many of these things, it's often a personal preference suited to your own gaming style.