Brother Captain Stern vs. Grand Master

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**Lemartes**

It seems that with the changes to 5th that Cpt Stern is a better value point for point than a GM. With the points you save you can buy a extra terminator to fit into a retinue ect. He also fills your 1 HQ hero hammer requirement. Opinions and thoughts contrary.

**Frazzled**

Moving to tactics which is more appropriate.

**Deadshane1**

Stern's wargear doesnt feature the best of what a GM can get utility-wise. That being said he's not a total WASTE of points...I've used him in the past and hes a nice way to get a cheaper (or second) str6 force weapon into your force.

No sacred Incense and no psycannon, GM's equipped with these are about as good as GK characters can get.

**Sharik**

His reroll is nice though and pretty important if you run your whole army in Landraiders (reroll cover save from smoke).

**Flexen**

Sharik wrote:His reroll is nice though and pretty important if you run your whole army in Landraiders (reroll cover save from smoke).

A GK army mounted entirely in landraiders?? MADNESS !

I will guess that is about 25k points for 30 models?

**Lemartes**

His reroll is nice though and pretty important if you run your whole army in Landraiders (reroll cover save from smoke).

GK landraider don't roll cover saves from smoke. The turn they pop thier smoke they can only suffer glancing hits per the old smoke rules.

**Afrikan Blonde**

I agree with deadshane. Often that BS5 cannon can make a big difference for a pure army.

**Lemartes**

He is nice but then he starts to break the 200pt mark and in 5th he better be pretty solid for that amount of points. The points you save are worth the exra GK term especially in a retinue.