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The question is now, are the government forces going to respond in kind, because this is way beyond just a criminal violence issue, that was a coordinated attack.
djphranq wrote:I wonder how the US will intervene... or if they perhaps are already intervening behind the scenes. I wonder if the US is somehow behind the attacks?
I think it's a little early to be making with the Pancho Villa rumors. However, it does seem about time for those National Guard they've been promising to put on the border. Maybe once Obama gets done with his world tour.
One of my training partners at work is from TJ and has some pretty bad stories to tell. He says the big trouble is that there are too many corrupt officials and police in Mexico to have anything work effectively.
By way of example, one of the main people in fighting the drug lords had his home attacked and fired on for half an hour before the police showed up to help him. The police station is three blocks from his house.
warpcrafter wrote:I think it's a little early to be making with the Pancho Villa rumors. However, it does seem about time for those National Guard they've been promising to put on the border. Maybe once Obama gets done with his world tour.
Mexican police, soliders killed in multi-city attacks by drug gang
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allthough i highly doubt the mexican army could take on the cartells and win... more likely then not, the cartells and a good portion of the army on payroll.
djphranq wrote:I wonder how the US will intervene... or if they perhaps are already intervening behind the scenes. I wonder if the US is somehow behind the attacks?
It seems highly unlikely that the USA would attempt to destabilise a large neighbouring nation when it is already involved in two other wars and coping with two problems of emergent nuclear nations.
djphranq wrote:I wonder how the US will intervene... or if they perhaps are already intervening behind the scenes. I wonder if the US is somehow behind the attacks?
It seems highly unlikely that the USA would attempt to destabilise a large neighbouring nation when it is already involved in two other wars and coping with two problems of emergent nuclear nations.
Well they can kind of do it indirectly like they did with Hawaii or maybe covertly like they did with Honduras or Iran.
We want more Mexicans in our country? We want it to be easier to smuggle things in?
(I actually do think the American government is the source of the problem, via drug prohibition, but that's another issue.)
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
djphranq wrote:Well they can kind of do it indirectly like they did with Hawaii or maybe covertly like they did with Honduras or Iran.
I think it's a little disrespectful to the dead and to the people living in a very difficult situation in Mexico to start making fanciful stories out of their problems.
This is a Mexican issue built around the recent efforts of the Federal government to actually address the drug gang problems in their country. It is similar to the efforts in Italy to stop the mafia, and that like will go on for several decades, assuming the Federal government can stick it out that long. Unfortunately, while the issue in Italy improved in part because going to open war with your own government will steadily remove the support you have among the general population, much of the success came from crime not being as profitable as it had been.
And as long as the US has an appetite for illegal drugs, there will be lots of money to be made in Mexico in drug gangs.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote:
I think it's a little disrespectful to the dead and to the people living in a very difficult situation in Mexico to start making fanciful stories out of their problems.
I didn't mean any disrespect. I'm just saying how it could be possible despite the US being busy with other situations.
djphranq wrote:I didn't mean any disrespect. I'm just saying how it could be possible despite the US being busy with other situations.
I know you didn't mean any, and I was probably reaching a little in suggesting offence was going to be likely. But it is a serious issue with big, hard to solve issues at its core. And the US is involved, they give a fair whack of money and a lot of technical help to the Federal government, because government success there means less drugs being shipped into the US.
But that only goes so far, and in the mean time a lot of people are dying, and a lot of them are really, really brave people. It takes a lot of guts to be an honest cop in Mexico.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
djphranq wrote:I didn't mean any disrespect. I'm just saying how it could be possible despite the US being busy with other situations.
I know you didn't mean any, and I was probably reaching a little in suggesting offence was going to be likely. But it is a serious issue with big, hard to solve issues at its core. And the US is involved, they give a fair whack of money and a lot of technical help to the Federal government, because government success there means less drugs being shipped into the US.
But that only goes so far, and in the mean time a lot of people are dying, and a lot of them are really, really brave people. It takes a lot of guts to be an honest cop in Mexico.
Okay... It just sounded like you were accusing me of making 'fanciful stories'. I'm just genuinely interested in how the US might be involved with this situation. My recent involvement in a History class has fueled my interest for this sort of thing... especially with some stuff I've read recently by Kinzer regarding US operations overseas in relation to governments and rebellions/situations.
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